Someone asked me the other day why I had armies of cat people in Harkovast and a rolled out the usual (by now well rehearsed) explanations (which all you forum readers already should know by now).
But something they said got me thinking.
They said something to the effect of "why do you have armies of cat beings? Normally fantasy things have elves and stuff."
This question seems to imply "Everyone does their fantasy stories in imitation of each other, so why haven't you replicated the features that most choose to imitate."
Well, I think Elves suck!
Not because there is anything wrong with them in and of themselves (Tolkien was a great man and came up with a lot of clever stuff).
But they have been done to death (which is ironic for a race that is usually immortal).
Literally every fantasy features elves that live in forests for a very long time, use bows and are stuck up. But not just that! They follow up with smelly dwarves with axes, beards and mines and hobbits that no one likes.
Which brings me onto the worst offenders- Hobbits.
Hobbits (or halflings as we all called them till the new lord of the rings film made saying hobbit fashionable again) are lame. Really really lame. Little people with furry feet? That's not cool! That is not even in the same postal area as cool.
The are like Snarf on Thunder Cats! Or Orko on He-man. Like Neelix on Voyager (man I hate voyager….sorry, going off topic)!Small and annoying.
They worked in the original lord of the rigns and the hobbit because it was set up around them but they have worked in nothing since.
But every fantasy has to have them. Sometimes the authors seems to put them in becasue they feel obligated, as if it breaks the special fantasy rules if you don't include small men with hairy feet. IN the early days games workshop included halflings and made them rubbish because no one liked them. If you don't like em….why include them? Will Tolkiens estate break down your door if you DON'T rip him off? I thought it worked the other way round…
Well I'm sick of them all and I'm sick of endless variations on each of them.
"Oh but our elves are different, they do X Y Z"
Then don't call them Elves! Call them something else! Then you can actually make your own clever ideas seem original, rather then making yourself seem to be stealing out of the hobbit like everyone else.
So Harkovast will feature not only no real world races, it also wont feature orcs, elves, halflings, hobbits, the lollipop guild, dwarves or any other species that Tolkien made up and everyone else ripped off from him.
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Harko-rant! I hate elves but I hate hobbits more.
Right. You have hit upon another area that I specialize in! Fantasy creatures, that is.
The reason elves are used all over the place is the recognition. You have some idea as to how they are going to act, how they live, where they live, whether they are good or evil, their likes and dislikes, and so on. The same applies to dwarves, orcs, gnomes, goblins, dragons, etc. The halfling is a special case, however. If you read to the end of the Return of the King, they show their prowess with the bow, as well as their innate toughness that before had apparently only resided in a select few. You get the hint that they evolve into humans, from the growth water in the Two Towers, but that is beside the point. Halflings in D&D are jolly, thieving, anklebiters for the most part, different from Tolkien's and the original intents of Gary Gygax (who based most of the game off of folklore and Tolkien's work) and in Dragonlance they are utterly fearless to the point of insanity, compulsive thieves, and rovers. Halflings are the embodiment of what you seem to want. Using a race in entirely different ways each time you see them!
I already explained why people use the names (so they are easier to recognize) but even if you chhange their traits, if you use the same body structure (pointy ears, long beards and short stature, fuzzy feet, etc.) why not use the same name? If you like the story you'll keep reading to s=find the diffrences, if you don't then you don't and it doesn't matter anyways.
Tolkien didn't make up most of the races. Elves are common enough in folklore, trolls are nordic (as are orcs, dwarves, and goblins) dragons are worldwide, necromancy is in the bible, (thus the ringwraiths, and the other undead type things) magical artifacts of immense power are VERY common in European folklore, and all the other stuff has a base as well. EXCEPT for hobbits. They sprout from his own imagination, and are completely new from him. The way he portrayed the races is what is commonly pointed at, not the races themselves.
And if you had a lollipop guild, I would flood you with so much praise for being silly that you wouldn't know what to do!
Anyways, that's all for now. I am sure I'll think of something new soon enough.
These guys represent the lollipop guild, the lollipop guild, the lollipop guild (etc)
Sweet merciful crap. It's like the scariest mafia in the world.
I understand your frustration though, but people pick up on a feature and run with it in fantasy comic. The race can have a completely different back story, but people assume it's one of the stock of fantasy creatures. For example, I've got a fanged humanoid with pointed ears, so people assume he's a vampire.
What if one of your races became supremely popular and ended up as a fantasy staple? Would you be pleased or annoyed?
I agree with what Chtonic said: the usage fantasy races (and resulting stereotypes) is just brand-recognition.
The fun is when you break those stereotypes, one by one :)
Oh, and love the lollipop guild.
Does anyone have a disturbing urge to inflict harm upon anything that's excessively and unnecessarily cute?
I must say that I agree that eleves, dwaves and other fantasy races are over used. I must also say that the trying to break the mold of these races is also over uesed. I have found too many comics that involve evil elves or good mis-understood orcs. I would honestly like to see something where people come up with their own original ideas. That is what I find refreashing about your comic. You have your own ideas that you do not post on to older more established races of fantasy. They are their own entities.
On another note I happen to be a big fan of the hobbits or halflings and incorporated an idea for them into my D&D campaign.
On another note, I share a birthday with one of the lolipop guild memebers. Jerry Maron, January 24.
That post was trivia tastic!
And I agree entirely with your point about people trying to break the mold by doing opposite versions.
If I see one more chaotic good drow…..
Bleh. People ripping on Salvatore.
But to REALLY break the mold, the Drow are a race of MOON ELVES! ANd they worship the evil god of dairy products, and plot to rule the surface under the iron heel of… B'rie!
I don't believe Drizzt was chaotic good, but rather 'unbearingly-emo'-good. His inner monologues would shame a paladin…
Speaking of originality, it seems that making everything the polar opposite doesn't count as 'breaking the mold' anymore… I guess there's a specific level between inspiration and emulation that has to be drawn…
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