This may be a little bit touchy… and I'm worried that if I say it, it'll look like I'm protecting/supporting whackjob racists, homophobes, pedophiles, and whatever.
…but it feels like every time I log into this forum there's a new thread whose basic tune is "Here's a group or person I don't agree with. Let's talk about how stupid they are." What then follows is angry ranting and blanket statements made about nationalities, beliefs, and religions.
Now don't get me wrong, we're all free to think what we want (and I think you'll agree with me, even as you lambaste somebody for thinking what they think). I even believe we're free to say what we want. But can we please say it in the Debate Forum instead of everywhere else? All this hate flying from comic authors I respect and admire really kills my good mood when I come here.
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Are we getting a little too political?
Yeah, I think you're right about at least keeping it in the debate forum. There are times that I just don't want to come here and see political statements in a general topic forum. The problem is that I have a pretty hefty opinion that is going to come out no matter what, but then I also have to exercise restraint while saying things that will almost certainly offend. And even then, that's not why I come to this particular section anyway.
What if you don't want to "Debate" or "Discuss"? What if you just want to "vent" or "rant"? General Forums are for that, right? There ARE a lot of topics, IMO, that don't belong in General Forums once they become debates. But rantings and venting, even political, seem at home here by the description of the "General Forums".
This thread is next to a Potluck Dinner thread, Westboro Church thread, Why your name thread, impeach Bush thread, Make a Friend thread, wizard world thread, random talents, fandom, mythology,… etc. It seems that there's a healthy mix of topics.
I do find it ironic that this thread is a "Here's a group or person I don't agree with." thread itself.
I enjoy DD though. It's nice that the general populace here is more educated and informed than that of some other forums I frequent. So, if not talking politics or debating in the general forums will keep those types of people active on the DD forums, then I'm in favor of whatever it takes.
It's perfectly fine to start a rant on politics in the General forum! Perfectly ^^
As Kingofsnake says though, that's what mods are for; when things start to go a certain way and someone like Hawk notices and comments, then that's a good sign it's prolly right to move things around.
Happens all the time! :)
THIS thread could almost go there…
Any time politics is involved, it devolves into an argument, or annoys someone, there's no other alternative to these situations.
So really, all rants about subjects which can possibly start an argument should be kept out of general and moved to top drawer or debate and discussion.
The Westboro Church thread and Impeach Bush threads SHOULD be moved, because those act as argument bait or promote dislike or hatred of other groups, not matter how justified it may seem, same with the topic on that conservapedia. Their views, I find to be false and unusual, but starting a thread in general discussion to hurl insults at them is very wrong, and if you want to discuss how wrong those views are, they should be in the debate and discussion forum, not general, because those threads seek to divide people.
anything can start a debate, so i don't see your point.
someone could start a debate about the st.patricks's day thread, that it causes people to celebrate alcoholism rather than the saint.
like oz said if the thread starts to look like more of a debate/discussion it would be moved.
I blame subcultured for this. :kitty:
But seriously, some people may just have a different view of what general is for General Discussion. Some people are surround by intellects like them whilst others do not.
Step in and chat. Vent. Rant. Talk about anything you want that doesn't belong in the other forums.
Got a pressing issue in your mind? Need to get something off your chest? Then come on in! Just remember to be respectful. :)
So, the descriptions kind of explain it. Politics, religious views and what not are pressing issues.
And if you don't know what to put it in, just ask! Not me though. I'm just the baby-sitter.
So essentially, if the majority of people agree in the thread, then it won't be moved right? ;)
And no, there is reasonable doubt with what can be turned into a debate or not, don't try making generalizations here. A Saint Patrick's day thread has less of a chance of spiraling into a feud than a thread on Iraq does. It's common sense and you can trace a history of these things happening.
So don't use the excuse that "well anything can be a debate" because that's a given, but it doesn't address the issue of dealing with the ones that are 9/10 intent to argue and will go down that path, cluttering up a forum for general discussion.
So, simply said, keep the threads that ALWAYS spiral out of control (sex, religion, politics and race) away from the section geared for everyone.
It makes the forum look bad.
Yeah, I can agree with a lot of what is being said here. And I did hesitate to even say anything… I'd hate to assume to dictate what we here at the Duck may talk about casually. In fact, the debate-worthy posts in this forum weren't begun with a debate-like tone, so their initial placement in the general section is understandable.
I guess if one were to read an interesting article about abortion or find a Youtube video on gay rights, it would just be more sensible to bring it up in the Debate Forum than in the same section where we talk about pets and odd habits.
I think it's a slightly confusing issue, the topics are those of D&D but the way they're discussed isn't. I've noticed a number of them in General though myself and been wondering if I should move them or what. I felt though that if I moved them do D&D they'd just get moved back out since that forum is more strict.
I guess if one were to read an interesting article about abortion or find a Youtube video on gay rights, it would just be more sensible to bring it up in the Debate Forum than in the same section where we talk about pets and odd habits.
Yeah, on a forum I frequent, the debate section is unofficially called "Politics, religion and philosophy", because ANYTHING on those topics is gonna turn into a debate, and generally should be put there. Seems to work well. ^_^
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