I'm trying to figure this out. My nieces tell me that they're demons of a sort. Not sure I understand why they think that. I see the vampires as cursed undead… sorta like zombies, except they drink blood to keep up their human appearance as well as to survive and they are also intelligent. I see them as such because vampires are supposedly created from the corpses of those who died being completely drained by a vampire. They rise up later and serve the vampire that "created" them.
Thoughts on this rather random subject? :)
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Vampires... Demons or Undead?
I've always been pretty sure that vampires are undead.
They rise up later and serve the vampire that "created" them.
Question; if a vampire 'creates' a minion-vampire, and this minion-vampire proceeds to create another vampire, does the third vampire serve the second one, or his master, the original one?
I've always been pretty sure that vampires are undead.They rise up later and serve the vampire that "created" them.
Question; if a vampire 'creates' a minion-vampire, and this minion-vampire proceeds to create another vampire, does the third vampire serve the second one, or his master, the original one?
As far as I know, all vampires created by the minion vampire serve the original. But as soon as the master vampire is slain the ones created directly or indirectly (via his first minions) gain their freedom and can go on to create their own minions.
I'm trying to figure this out. My nieces tell me that they're demons of a sort. Not sure I understand why they think that.
Are they fans of Anne Rice? I think it's suggested in her novels that the original two vampires were possessed by/fused with demons upon their death and from now on they have to feed on blood. Or something like that.
I have my own theory which I don't want to reveal as it's part of one of my comic scripts (that I might start drawing soon, I hope).
In most stories they're officially undead. I don't know many stories where they're called demons.
I do remember an interesting twist though. In the legacy of Kain series, it is explained that Demons and Angels were actually two ancient races that lived in our world before ours exited. There was a giant war between them and the Angel race eventually drove the Demon race over to an alternative dimension of fire. The reason behind the war? Religion. The Angel race worshiped a creature that fed on souls of the deceased, believing that it represented the cycle of life. As an act of defiance, the Demon race cursed with immortality and a hunger for blood. The soul sucking creature then branded the Angel race as heretics and instead focused his attentions on a new race that was forming, called humans. What humans recognized as vampires were actually fallen angels.
Now the odd thing is, that it's really hard to figure out if the demons were actually bad during the war. You see, while the soul eating, deity like creature may take on a majestic personification, branding itself as a god that embraced the souls of the deceased, it was nothing more than a parasite, living in the spectral realm. The Demons realized that and wished to defy it while the angels followed them in blind faith. Now the demons wish to retake their old world but that's actually bad since they want to also wipe out the humans, since they also worship the parasite.
I kinda wished that they'd concluded the story. I kinda liked it. There were 5 games in total. Two that followed Kain, a human that turned vampire after being resurrected by having a heart of an angelic vampire embedded into his body, two that followed Raziel, a human Vampire, sired by Kain but was seemingly betrayed by him, turning him into a soul sucking entity (which apparently happens to all vampires that have their bodies completely destroyed and aren't eaten by "God" ) and a fifth game that merged their two stories together. I liked the Raziel aspect of the story. All in all it was very dark.
I'm trying to figure this out. My nieces tell me that they're demons of a sort. Not sure I understand why they think that.If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say they got it from Buffy or Angel. Both treated vampires as a form of demon and, pre-Twilight, those shows were probably the most-watched media featuring vampires.
Vampires are often referred to as "the damned". Most non-european vampires are intelligent. a lot of european stories, vampires are almost mindless, because they were burried so quickly, they end up starving and going insane. and if/when they do break out of their burial area (ground, tomb etc) they just go around killing to satisfy their insane hunger.
I'm not sure if you have to actually die to become a vampire. In most stories i've read, when the vampire removes all blood from a person, it becomes a ghoul. which is a zombie under control by a vampire.
When the person wants to become a vampire, none of them involve sucking dry. Some have that the person must redrink their own blood. (the vampire drinks like half their blood, and then makes them drink from the vampire).
Others require that the person is a total virgin, and when drank from, they become a vampire.
however in my opinion, demons come from hell, and go back when "cleansed" or "killed" and have the opportunity to come back. but vampires were human, and when killed their dead. again.
undead.
This all depends on what vampire myth we're going to accept as "right" ^_^
While it's widely accepted that vampires are basically ghouls, you must be aware that there's different types, and that includes demons. Demonic possession of a corpse is certainly one way to create a vampire, but one must also consider the region from which mythology around it came from. Modern "vampires" are a coalescence of various ideas from across Europe, perhaps with the information age even blended into Eastern culture as well. A lot of our vampire lore ideas come from the Victorian literature(where vampires are sophisticated and sensual) and Gypsy mythology (rabid, sunlight-fearing ghouls)
In the East, there's several types of vampires that ARE demons. There's even vampire fairies like the Baobhan sith. So the idea of a vampire being an actual demon and not just an articulate zombie is not beyond the realm of possibility.
That all aside, two other factors to consider: The church/modern ideas combining all "evils" into one category (I see this all the time with my favorite mythological creatures being shoved into the "vampire!" category when they aren't!) With the idea that zombies/ghouls are mindless and vampires are intelligent, the idea of them being demons naturally followed.
Two, the sexification of vampires, probably with a little help from Anime too, making the idea of a corpse with bad breath and sharp teeth seem too squicky for some. Therefore, the idea of a living corpse is eschewed for the idea that the vampire is a demon, which for some reason is less gross to get it on with. And if you've seen how demons are portrayed lately, I think you get the idea! It's another case of mashing two different creatures (ghouls and incubi) together and acting like that's the way it always was.
When the person wants to become a vampire, none of them involve sucking dry. Some have that the person must redrink their own blood. (the vampire drinks like half their blood, and then makes them drink from the vampire).
lol! Actually that's entirely a modern concept, there's no historical basis in any lore that says vampires made their "fledglings" drink blood. There's hundreds of ways, but that one's new. As I mentioned earlier, it's one thing in a long trend of trying to sex-up a rather foul creature by making the process more "intimate" than just being savaged by a rabid hungry creature. If Anne Rice wasn't the one who invented it, she certainly popularized it with calling it the "Dark Gift" *snickers at awful cheesy name!* Certainly you don't see too many vampires recounting how they became a vampire as "A cat jumped over my grave…"
And exsanguination is definitely one that's been in there for much longer, so sucking the victim dry is a way one comes back as a vampire. That's a lot of blood for one sitting, but the vampire did it over a span of a few nights and the victim would seem to "waste away".
find one and ask.
there's no yes or no answer here i dont think. depending on where the vamp story is comming from it could go either way. hell, in some zombie flicks, the undead ARE demons. just depends. are ya alking about vlad th eimpaler coming back and stickin a pike through ya, or a buncha nancies in a rave wearing velvet and sucking cock?
There's also the Judaeo/Christian mythical figure of Lilith, fist wife of Adam, who is often portrayed as a demon blood drinker. That figure has some bearing on western vampire myth and story.
I think also that a person living a supernatural span and sustaining themselves through awful acts is pretty much automatically considered "demonic" traditionally in stories.
As people say though, the definitions are not hard and fast, this is just the evolution of folk myth and para-religious characters into pop-cultural icons. Lots of things change in the transition and you as a creator can do whatever you want with them.
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The sexification was always there to some extent, if you consider Lilith and all her succubi/incubi connections.
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… In the end, "Vampire" is shorthand for "drink blood", and anything that drinks blood is a vampire.
Depends on where the exact myth is coming from. But I can tell ya, the old-fashioned ones were definitely not something you'd want to sleep with. I mean, creatures that were explicitely rotting corpses that spread plagues and (sometimes) mindlessly search for blood and/or flesh is decidely not sexy (for most people. If you find that attractive, don't say anything; I won't be able to look at your username without that in the back of my mind).
the initial folklore of what people call vampires loosely goes like this: some rich, corrupt assholes decide they want to live on earth forever so they can wallow in decadence forever, but since gods don't tend to grant immortality so you can fuck, eat, or burn everything possible they made a pact with demons.
the demons lied like…well, demons. they also kinda outed the whole "pact with demons" things to the nearby townships and the rich assholes were burned. the demons did grant them eternity on earth however because instead of taking them in hell they just shoved them back into their corpses, where they went insane and attacked and killed people at night before going back to their graves during the day to avoid the touch of sunlight.
pretty much EVERYTHING else you hear is tacked on later, either by storyteller adding dramatic flair or priest trying to make them out as a proper horror story about why you believe in god.
but yeah, rich assholes that wanted to throw a 500-year kegger and fucked up, effectively.
Curiously enough, I drink blood on a regular basis. I'm pretty sure I'm not undead >.> But that could explain my insomnia!
My skin doesn't sparkle in sunlight like those Twilight vamps though D=
XD I don't care what shape, form, or story, I like vampires (not excessively though). Except for Strahd, my DnD GM was an ass for making Ravenloft my first game ever X[
i looked at Stellar's link and this made me laugh for some reason.
"Blood Energy Potion has the same colour, consistency, and texture as real blood, but tastes like fruit punch."
They also have some of the same nutrients as real blood XD I really drink them cause thy don't have the same bad caffeine after taste that most energy drinks do.
And here's the link to the official site. I was dead tired earlier and clicked whatever I saw on google (this one isn't bogged down with teen vamp romance novels everywhere). I love the mana potion people =D
I'm trying to figure this out. My nieces tell me that they're demons of a sort. Not sure I understand why they think that. I see the vampires as cursed undead… sorta like zombies, except they drink blood to keep up their human appearance as well as to survive and they are also intelligent. I see them as such because vampires are supposedly created from the corpses of those who died being completely drained by a vampire. They rise up later and serve the vampire that "created" them.
Thoughts on this rather random subject? :)
They are the more obvious demonic entities.
But the ones you should be worried about are the ones that can masquerade as angels. First you get all the feel-good propaganda about love and peace and how you are special.
And then you get told that there needs to be a New World Order or a "New Age" or a "New Golden Age".
And then you are told that you need to drink menstrual blood to awaken your psychic abilities.
Or maybe you are told to stand down because the angels of light / galactic federation / ascended masters / great white brotherhood / etc… are all gonna whisk you away from all your problems and are gonna be your saviors.
Stand down… and let tyranny take over! Its that simple.
But demons don't exist! That's another Bible fairytale!
Treat it as a lesson in critical thinking.
If you don't believe in demons, notice how the psychopath loves to masquerade as a nice person? I watched a video of a pedophile priest and he was asked to re-enact how he'd lure in little girls to sexually molest. I noticed the innocent look in his face… the soothing voice… all designed to create the illusion of "love" and to make the little girl feel safe.
The psychopath (like a demon) always puts on the nice face before they cause you alot of harm.
I usually like vampires. Untill twilight and its retarded fanbase ruined it. So many faggots flocked to the cinemas and so many more will -___-.
My personal opinion is undead. But isnt undead also demon? I mean if you count it that they reclaim their body after death. I think its still possesion. Which usually is a demon thing. I mean when do you ever see good zombies?
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