newgrounds is the most unfriendliest place in the interwebs.
also sucky flash artists just ban together to create a group flash and vote their crappy group flash to the number one spot.
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Sick of this garbage.
Well to some people, the perfect afternoon consists of sitting in front of a computer repeating the following routine:
*click*
"This strip sucks."
*click*
"OH MY GOD THIS ONE IS CRAPPY TOO!!"
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"THIS COMIC IS SO TERRIBLE!!"
*click*
"Oh great, the archive's finished. Well, onto the next sprite comic…"
Well, Drunkduck did have a vote system in place similar to Newgrounds (I'm not sure what "blammed" means, but I'll assume it's removed from the site). In the long run it proved to be quite unpopular: because the average of perfect 5's was so common, it was extremely easy for one or two people to take every single comic out of the top 10 for days. This also didn't address the problem that the top 10 was often filled with, frankly, some pretty bad comics. I know that some of the current top 10 get flak, but I think we can all agree that they're at least competently made. Anyway, there was constant argument about rankings, what numbers mean what, etc. The solution was to make the rankings unimportant to the site as a whole, and to rely on the less biased order based on hits. It's not perfect, but I don't think any top ten list ever has been.
Really, though, Drunkduck is a comic HOST first, and a comics portal second. It's important to the nature of the site that skill level isn't important to have your work hosted here. If, as a comics creator, your only source of reaching out to readers is to reach the top of DrunkDuck, then you're really not going to go anywhere. And speaking as someone who has had a number one comic in the past: it really doesn't change anything. I got more hits advertising on other sites or posting in forums than I ever did from the DD main page.
There's something of a probation period for a new flash submitted, if it stays above the rating of 1.00 it stays on the site, if it drops below that and the probation period runs out, its taken away. Generally people judge the effort gone into the movie, not exactly the level of skill. So often a movie made with a flashing red and blue background with an animated gif of a pie is removed reasonably quickly.
Yeah this wouldn't work for comics, it's hard to vote for each page seperately. Overall reviews would be a better idea, but then you're limited by the user base of the web site. I can't imagine it would be possible for every comic on here to receive a review.
I suppose I understand why the rating no longer affects the comics standing. But then basing it on page hits is flawed aswell and the OP bought this up.
I'm not sure what point I'm making anymore, I'm just thinking aloud at this stage…
The thing is, on average, people like having a visible top ten somewhere. It's something to reach for. Like, nobody's going to eat 8 pounds of hamburger buns on their own, but if they get their name in a book and a certificate for the effort someone's bound to go the extra mile and ruin their stomach for posterity. Maybe that's not the best analogy for making comics, but I'm sticking to it.
Comics done purely to become popular, rich, and famous are absolutely terrible. They don't truly love what they do, so they won't really try hard to get it. It's almost as if someone were to try and become a doctor, but they don't really like hospitals or anything medical related. I mean, sure, it's possible, but the chances of them actually succeeding is very unlikely. Comics, in general, whether a webcomic, or even print comics, are more like a labor of love, as Stan Lee once said.
Sure, you could force yourself to put out 30 pages of Spider-man or any other character for that matter a month, or 3 pages a week on the internet, but if you don't enjoy doing it, you won't be putting forth your best effort. You can really tell which comics are done for love, and which ones for fame.
Also, for the rating system, it doesn't really matter.
It's all about personal taste.
Say, if one comic got a ton of positive reviews, but it's about pancakes, and YOU personally hate pancakes, would you read it? I wouldn't think so. You might be into a comic that's more about waffles, but it got negative reviews. Would you really care? I don't think so.
Reviews of any kind are all opinion-based. There could be a handful of comics that are incredibly popular, but that wouldn't necessarily make you read them. That's why Drunkduck is great. Multiple creators get together and do what they love to do best. If you don't like a certain kind of comic, or just a comic in general, then you have no obligation to read it. You can just pass it by, and go to the next one.
If we were to get rid of that comic, there could be a small handful of people who happen to enjoy that comic, and they would complain. Thus, tons of people leaving Drunkduck because their favorite comic isn't hosted anymore.
Sprite comics included. There are people who enjoy them, so why not let them host here? I mean, we aren't exactly a biased community. As long as you don't create the most offensive, god-awful comic ever, I think it's fine.
So, with all of that being said, we are just one giant community of creators, either creating for the sake of entertainment and enjoyment, or for the sake of trying to become the next big thing. Why can't we all just get along?
*sigh* hyena hell, I think the proper, gender-neutral term is 'go down on'- I mean, there are some ladies high up on the DD food chain, if ya know what I mean… you can't BLOW them…im smarter then you guys, they all love me,im gonna worm my way to the top. work!Really? I was plannin' on blowing my way to the top. Ha. Now there's a whore for ya.
And maybe my miniscule pageviews actually give me credibility in the troll's eyes… hey, I'm not in the top 10! and my comic is (while possibly boring) very Literary and Non-Spritish.
*sigh* hyena hell, I think the proper, gender-neutral term is 'go down on'- I mean, there are some ladies high up on the DD food chain, if ya know what I mean… you can't BLOW them…im smarter then you guys, they all love me,im gonna worm my way to the top. work!Really? I was plannin' on blowing my way to the top. Ha. Now there's a whore for ya.
you could…. blow them…
a…
balloon animal!
Amelius i didn't mean i respect your ethic in a condescending way i meant it as in 800 pages is alot of work,and the dedication is something to admire.it wasn't an attack on your technical skill it wasn't an attack on your writing ability.
my thing was that i already don't like boy love,its as the kids in the wrestling business call "cheap heat",especially with alot of girls.
newgrounds is the most unfriendliest place in the interwebs.
also sucky flash artists just ban together to create a group flash and vote their crappy group flash to the number one spot.
and that's what i thought was going on here.
as far as getting huge and famous,no one in comics is huge or famous if they're not working for the big 3. look at the dreamer. a fairly decent comic picked up by idw,she's not famous.she's a NOBODY in comparison to jim lee or geoff johns.
infact what bought me to this site WAS her comic.and then i stumbled onto hero by night.and robomeks and the fighting stranger,then i saw charby and it never moving and then i understood how the top ten worked and was like wtf.i checked out a few pages and was like oh….this stuff.(i will say i didn't read from the beginning)and what i saw was a page where a guy was like "can you people please stop kissing my sister"and then there was another eye roll.that's what made me go another comic about kissing and awkward poses (i'm willing to admit i might be wrong,i'm not like my father i don't always need to be right.) infact i actually plan on giving your book a fair shake amelius.
and what is wrong with the walking dead and the ultimates? granted i was 16 when ultimates was coming out so that might have had something to do with it. but i've loved mark millar ever since and follow anything he does.even though kickass is way over the top….and what's not to love about bryan hitch's artwork?
Well to some people, the perfect afternoon consists of sitting in front of a computer repeating the following routine:…Which gives admins an annoying 5 minutes of going through all their reported comments, and if they're stupid enough and show a pattern of specifically being a dick; we raise the warning level and send them a warning PQ.
*click*
"This strip sucks."
*click*
"OH MY GOD THIS ONE IS CRAPPY TOO!!"
*click*
"THIS COMIC IS SO TERRIBLE!!"
*click*
"Oh great, the archive's finished. Well, onto the next sprite comic…"
It's almost always sprinters being a dick to other spriters. They're the only ones that really care.
So if you're not a spriter and you're leaving them offensive comments… That's sort of like an adult hanging around a children's playground calling the kids "poopyheads". Time to grow a weird moustache and get yourself a van ;)
The thing is, on average, people like having a visible top ten somewhereYep. That's the hallmark of a Western Capitalist society: aspiration. :)
Even if it's unattainable, people still want something to aim for.
my thing was that i already don't like boy love,its as the kids in the wrestling business call "cheap heat",especially with alot of girls.
I'm not sure how many times I've mentioned this, but there isn't any boy love in Charby, so why do you keep criticizing the comic for having it? That's like criticizing Garfield for its focus on Central-Asian politics because you glanced at a strip and he was eating Chinese Food.
Most of the time the guys that keep going on and on about their hate for bl are just tweens starting to question their own sexuality. There are plenty of straight guys that don't like it, but they leave it at that, as it's got nothing to get under their skin for them to protest in every post. (because they're straight and they know it)
tl;dr: Lol homo
its annoying cuz whenever i type in naruto in google images to get a wallpaper for my psp or computer i have to see sasuke hugging up on naruto.
or when i try to get a decent ff7 pic of cloud and my search is loaded with cloud and sephiroth kissing.
someone even had megamanX and Zero holding hands and skipping its like wtf they're robots what possible joy do u get from that?
my thing was that i already don't like boy love,its as the kids in the wrestling business call "cheap heat",especially with alot of girls.
I'm not sure how many times I've mentioned this, but there isn't any boy love in Charby, so why do you keep criticizing the comic for having it? That's like criticizing Garfield for its focus on Central-Asian politics because you glanced at a strip and he was eating Chinese Food.
and i didn't say charby had it i said it LOOKS like it has it. it has the LOOK of a book that has it.
it has the LOOK of a book that has it.Eh, crappy save.
Look man, what's probably for the best is that you ditch this "Amazo3xt" alt account and just post normally in the forums with your main account like everyone else does. That way people will get to know you, they'll check out your profile and visit youcr comic.
Just hanging around the forums is a good way for getting more people interested in your comic. ;)
No one has to know that "Amazo3xt" was your bitchy alt. We admins won't tell or give any hints. Do it man, you'll get a lot more out of it.
*looks at skool and ozones posts*
This his real comic:
http://www.drunkduck.com/Bally_Who/index.php
y/n?
Hey, I'm not in the top ten either! (Well, not yet that is. I have a lot of blowin' to do.) But dude. That must mean we've got, like, the comic book version of hipster cred, right? Coolness = Obscurity?*sigh* hyena hell, I think the proper, gender-neutral term is 'go down on'- I mean, there are some ladies high up on the DD food chain, if ya know what I mean… you can't BLOW them…im smarter then you guys, they all love me,im gonna worm my way to the top. work!Really? I was plannin' on blowing my way to the top. Ha. Now there's a whore for ya.
And maybe my miniscule pageviews actually give me credibility in the troll's eyes… hey, I'm not in the top 10! and my comic is (while possibly boring) very Literary and Non-Spritish.
Thats not what i'm saying. i'm not saying that its only page count and top 10 status. edepth angel looks pretty good,i'm interested in it. i would read it but that's a huge amount of pages.
i'm not trying to be some sort of hipster police or anything but,have u ever seen something like okay here's a good example "paul blart mall cop" did anyone here think that movie was going to be funny when they saw commercials and promos?its just carbon copy stupid fat white guy does goofy things movie.
or what about GI joe? if anything you had nothing but optimism and hope,but u didn't see that and go DAMN! that looks great.
but what about grindhouse and kill bill and inglorious basterds?
or even superbad and zack and miri make a porno or clerks.
they rule and u can see they rule when u see a promo.
u just get that gut feeling.
but after reading through alot of posts and stuff i do see what people were talking about. DD is a host first.
lol what?
there's no way i'm racist.i didn't say all white people are stupid and fat,just the character that kevin james played. bro i listen to opie and anthony hardcore,i love metallica and coheed and cambria i live in nyc where i'm in constant contact with people of every ethnicity. i'm not some dopey kid who lives in the sticks who's never seen anybody of another race before.
hell if u look at tv how are white guys potrayed?
everybody loves raymond- raymond was dopey
king of queens- doug heffernan was dopey
according to jim- he's dopey
peter griffin-is dopey.
what do all of these shows have in common?all about white guys who constantly mess up and aren't cool. its the blueprint of a sitcom.
its just a safe thing that hollywood and people in those positions do in general because they're afraid that racial special interest groups will come after them and their products and advertisers.
The problem with using things like movies as examples is that it's still subjective. So your point is easily lost if someone doesn't have the exact same tastes as you.
To be honest, I think you've dug yourself a hole here. You brought up some interesting points, but they were more or less lost with your criticisms based on misperceptions and lack of information. You've said things that reflect poorly on you personally, whether you intended that or not. I don't think this thread is going to get beyond that. It's a miracle that things have gone so well in this thread really. Trying to defend yourself and make yourself look okay again so everyone can talk about the salvageable points from the thread is going to be harder than just making a whole new thread with a focused argument.
So, I think if we want to have a discussion about some of those points, someone should make a new thread about it than use this old messy thing. :]
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