One word for ya……..Cat Juggling. real quiet like…..under the table stuff. Thats the answer.
…….Just trying to break the tension. I am pretty new here, so I only know the Duck as a buggy place. So, the legends are true of a Golden age of Drunkiness?? wow. I wish my Flux capaciter was working.
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I'm causing a ruckus - more problems with the Duck that need publicity
We've had some ongoing bugs and issues with our bandwidth partner… and recently it's been blinking in and out… it's been looking into by the IT department right now.
Budgeting a team to focus on DD is in the works. Unfortunately it's gonna take a little bit more time. I get that it's frustrating, but just bear with it for now… it's gonna get better, the bugs are gonna be handled, and the quirks less frequent.
I feel really good about the direction Platinum is going, and a lot of effort is being put into finding the best way to give DD the attention it needs. Just hang in there :)
it was fun while it lasted.
if DD goes down i'd probably stop webcomiking, since i don't have the time and energy to start creating an audience again.
It's not the views/audience… it's the people I have grown fond of. All the members will be split off from this site and many won't be seen again.
It really hurts thinking of the friends I have made and work with, all the people I'll lose contact with. It makes me want to go on a "give me your email" spree so I can keep in touch with them.
Not to mention all the influential comics I read here that entertain or teach me on various levels.
I mean, this is pretty much all I do and the only place I go to. The very thought of it going under hurts on many many levels for me. I just wish there was something I could do to help.
Got a feeling I would do the same, just to be able to at least casually chat with a few people from here every now and again. The community is what makes me stay, as well as the potential the site has.
There's also a LARGE bomb that's gonna have to be dropped eventually, but…whatever.
Will it be House worthy?
Just want to reiterate that before anyone jumps ships or juggles cats, DD is still functioning just fine and still has lots of great features. The image bug is supremely annoying but can often be worked around, and although we can all think of suggestions for improvement, the site isn't fundamentally broken as it is.
So I guess as long as DD is in a 'holding pattern' things should be fine as they are. I don't think anyone needs to get too worried until the servers explode or all the text changes spontaneously to Hindi. :)
So I guess as long as DD is in a 'holding pattern' things should be fine as they are. I don't think anyone needs to get too worried until the servers explode or all the text changes spontaneously to Hindi. :)
As soon as you mentioned the server exploding I had this mental image of most of us standing around is disbelief before pulling out hot dogs and marshmallows and joining in song.
kumbaya my lord, kumbayaaa~
Hey cool!
Its another thread complaining about the problems with DD.
These never get old.
It's about as fresh as you reading the whole thread before posting. It's not complaining about the problem so much as it's a concerned user pointing out something that not alot of people know aobut, but SHOULD, as it's indicative of trouble to come. Ergo, you may want to CONSIDER options should things go sour, despite the fact that Platinum is trying to do something about it before it all goes to hell.
Jesus.
Hey cool!
Its another thread complaining about the problems with DD.
These never get old.
It's about as fresh as you reading the whole thread before posting. It's not complaining about the problem so much as it's a concerned user pointing out something that not alot of people know aobut, but SHOULD, as it's indicative of trouble to come. Ergo, you may want to CONSIDER options should things go sour, despite the fact that Platinum is trying to do something about it before it all goes to hell.
Jesus.
really?
wow. I guess I better get right back to reading the thread rehashing the same drama that has been rehash the five million times previously on The OC!
Seriously, this is old.
Buddha.
@Midge
This threads old poo to you i know, but I've actually got a lot out of it. I bet others are doing the same.
Your points are valid, I'd simply like this thread not to be locked. :)
I'll honor this too and not reply to the rather contradicting things djcoffman said, but it's nice to know DD will be getting up on it's feet again, even if it's a long wait :)
It costs you nothing to publish online, or next to that. If you want to make money and be successful with webcomics, all you have to do is put in the work and put out a product people care about and will follow WHERE EVER its hosted. Those that work the hardest will be the most successful in the end. If I tallied up the hours I have put in the last 10 years in comics to get to where I'm at today, hours that I never got paid for, it would boggle the mind. I STILL put in hours a day that I see no money for.
I'm in no way trying to be contradictory here or start a fight, but from my experience in the last couple months since I found DD through Yirmumah and a couple SJ comics, I've discovered that there is just a little bit more to success than pure hard work. While I've built up a pretty decent audience and gotten to be one of the more well-known single panel comics on DD, I continually find myself thinking that there must be some little things I don't know about promoting myself and the site and just generally building my audience and growing. I put as many hours of work and thought into what I do every day as I humanly can, and though I've made a pretty quick climb, I can honestly say I haven't taken off nearly as quickly as some others. And as far as figuring out things like how to better advertise and expand, I'm pretty much taking pot shots in the dark.
I'll admit to not really knowing what I'm doing when it comes to being a total professional in comicking. I'm an amateur and a student doing it to practice and enjoy what I'm trying to learn. I'm pretty sure a lot of other people are in the same boat around here. And it's guys like you and DJ that we look up to and want to hear from more often because you've been there and know things we don't. It really helps us when you guys pop up in the forums like Tips & Tricks or Advertising Discussion and give advice, rather than reply only to threads like this or not at all. None of us want to have our audiences exist solely on DD or from you guy's audience, but we do want to know what we can improve about our work and what we can do to improve the site along with Platinum and you guys.
I guess what I'm trying to get at here as a point for everyone to understand, from my own experiences and what I've learned in the past six or seven months, along with what everyone else has said, is that there's always a little more to it than just hard work or luck or any one single factor. And similarly, the problems with DD aren't just because of Platinum not caring, because of the top ten sucking bandwidth, or because bigger creators don't talk as much, or really any single factor. It's a lot of things that contribute to whether or not the community is good, and everyone could and can help in some way to help fix or better the community. It is a community after all.
Edit: I really hope that conveys the point of "everyone can do something for their community", I was going for. I'm not all that great at writing.
I can't help feeling there's an air of the old self-fulfilling prophecy about all this.
DD works. It has bugs, but it works. There was no "Golden Age" before Platinum (the whole thing collapsed at one point!) but, after a fashion, it worked before Platinum and, after a fashion, it can continue to work if Platinum bail.
The thing that's most likely to bring down a site like DD is not whether Platinum supports it or not, but people moving their comics away. Some people have valid reasons for deciding to go it alone, but no-one should be panicked into moving their comic just because other people are doing so.
The strength of DD is its community. If you want it to continue, keep posting your comics here and supporting the comics that others post here. That's all it takes.
What worried me was this lingering thought that PS was in serious financial troubles. When the admins start saying they think the site is abandoned then that's when I really got worried and considered looking elsewhere.
Believe me, I am not complaining about the bugs, I am worried about the life of DD. Volte's message made me feel a bit better though.
@Volte: I would pay fees for this service to help support it. I wouldn't need special privileges, I just really like the place. If anything put up a donate button?
I'm still here, not going anywhere, but I will set up mirrors and things. Hopefully it won't come to that, but it would be nice for the folks who are having these image server issues and comic page problems to see the back of this bug.
It would be nice, is it going to happen?
I can't say, I never did have the ability to see the future. So as long as DD is around, Wyrden will be around here.
@Ozone
Images are showing up just fine for me 96% of the time actually, every now and then a front page one flickers off but never that bad.
Skoolmonkey mentioned earlier that images were having trouble in showing up on canada and japan- so it might have just spread to Australia and other non-American regions.
It's still a huge problem, but not everybody is getting effected/aware.
Skull, I've spoken to other peeople in the US who're having it longer times as well.
It's always tempting to say "Well, it's fine for me, so it's really just YOUR problem."
But in my position as DD Admin I don't feel I'm ever able to take that position. I care about everyone's experience at DD.
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There are no problems here now. Go back about your business. :)
Move on. Nothing to see here people!
@Volte: I would pay fees for this service to help support it. I wouldn't need special privileges, I just really like the place. If anything put up a donate button?
I think volte has said before that that kind of thing would open up business complications for plat (paid service and/or donations) so they're not likely to do it… sorry ;)
Anyway, where's that admin forum dirt? Dish dish dish dish!
I actually went into the admin forum to find something that would make a funny response but really, it's just dire. The only thing that really goes on in there is storage for future newsposts and a list of people we've warned/frozen and why.
Also Ozone used to be a woman.
The reason for this thread, as DAJB and Midge seem totally unaware of it, is the current on and off image problem. That sees comics totally without any images showing at all.I'm not totally unaware of it, O.O., and of course I want to see the bugs fixed. It's entirely right that Admins should take up these issues with Platinum and I'm delighted that you guys are doing so, especially since it seems that nobody is listening which must be sooo frustrating for you guys.
However, I'm starting to see comics where creators are talking about taking them away from DD - not because they've experienced any real problems with these bugs themselves, but simply because threads like this seem to be suggesting that the Admins think they should. I'm sure that's not what you want to see happen, but you need to be careful that airing your dirty linen in public doesn't do more harm than good.
Obviously no-one expects you to pretend that everything is sweetness and light when it's not, but you shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the advantages of being part of DD - even as it is now - still outweigh the disadvantages of not being here - by a considerable margin. Newcomers to the site, especially, need to see that message alongside all our gripes about the problems.
The strength of DD is its community. If you want it to continue, keep posting your comics here and supporting the comics that others post here. That's all it takes.
I just want to reiterate this.
DrunkDuck has experienced numerous crashes over the years. Each time it came back, the community was still around. People talked about how oh DD people will now move to Comic Genesis or whatever each time it crashed. As if DD was just a webcomic host and nothing more. While that did happen, people also came back to DrunkDuck which I suspect surprised a lot of people.
The strength of DrunkDuck has always been the community. People are what make DrunkDuck a great place. You want hosting? You can get that anywhere. A community is much harder to come by. That's the heart of the website and all the programming in the world can't duplicate that.
I know I haven't been around lately but I do come everyday though. The reality though is that I'm tired. I push for meetings, I contact people, I make suggestions…I'm out of ideas now. Maybe I should march over to LA and find some random Platinum person to shake by the shoulders. At this point, that's my best idea. THAT'S how dry the well is for me.
I love this site, I love the community. I think this is the best community out there and I think it's worth keeping and saving. It's friendly to newcomers, it brings both experienced and inexperienced artists together. There are no big ego fights, no throwing people under buses for the sake of a few webcomic hits. My fellow admins are great people who care about this site. (We're talking about people who dedicated YEARS of their life to this place.) People have fun here which oftentimes people forget to do when making webcomics. People network, chat, exchange ideas. People also stick together and come together.
There is also so much potential for MORE and it breaks my heart to see this potential wasted. But DAJB is right. The death of DD won't come because a company has other priorities. The death of DD will come when the heart picks up its stuff and leaves.
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