I had an idea. reviews.
Now both reviewing comics may not be an option but picking one of the reviewed comics from the review section and quoting a few bits from the various reviews and maybe a little of your own feedback on them. It will draw attention to the rather quiet review section and maybe encourage more activity there.
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That's funny, that subject came up in the one we just recorded, and now I check this thread and here it is. :]
We did mention the comic review forum and how it's great and people should pay it more attention. We also talked a little about how I at least am not comfortable reviewing comics since it's a bit weird as an admin.
But drawing some quotes from it and stuff, that's great!
Listened to ep #9 last night… So, we find out Ozone's personal views on Google XD, that the podcast has approximately 5 loyal fans - had to lol at that, as well as different ways of making comics. I have to say, Ozone, you've got an incredibly long way of updating with all that creating layers etc. anyway, as one of the 5 said fans, I enjoyed it and can't wait for next weeks!
Well I hope the trend towards longer and longer podcasts continues. I understand the reluctance for sharing critiques/reviews, and didn't quite realize the extra baggage that comes with being an admin in that situation. Still, I feel the educational/entertainment value of critiques would really spice up the podcast, tho without it I still enjoyed listening anyway. As for a possible topic in the next episode, maybe what are the most important factors that help make a comic popular on drunk duck: quality, frequency of updates, forum participation, etc.
Great podcast guys, you both sound much more comfortable and relaxed with each episode.
Again, longer podcasts = good!
I think the one we recorded today ended up about 45 minutes. We're tending to talk longer about the features, and are perhaps getting a little more critiquey of them. I also kinda feel like we're rambling a little sometimes. :I I guess that's okay, we're still getting used to these and what to talk about and how we pace against each other. I've just had a worry in the back of my mind from the beginning that the podcasts would end up being long rambly boring things and have felt like I need to make sure they keep moving along.
I'm comfortable making some casual comments about comics, but I'm not sure if I'd ever really be comfortable doing more intentional/focused critique… both because that kind of thing can be time consuming and difficult, and also because I don't think I want to be known as a "comic reviewer." For some reason I'm just averse to that. Maybe because I don't consider myself an expert or all that knowledgable about comics and comic techniques really and would feel pretty pretentious evaluating other people's efforts on a platform as 'big' as the podcast.
Then again, before we started these we were worried about how we would EVER fill up 10-15 minutes. Now they're like 45 minutes and take up to 3 hours of my week. :]
We are working on setting up our first interview but it might take a week or two before it airs!
Thanks for all the feedback so far, it's useful to have and we've been trying to respond to it. We're operating in a bit of a vacuum really, doing stuff we hope works, so hearing if it does or doesn't is good. We want the podcasts to be something people will listen to, so it's important we know what that is. :]
I think the one we recorded today ended up about 45 minutes. We're tending to talk longer about the features, and are perhaps getting a little more critiquey of them. I also kinda feel like we're rambling a little sometimes. :I I guess that's okay, we're still getting used to these and what to talk about and how we pace against each other. I've just had a worry in the back of my mind from the beginning that the podcasts would end up being long rambly boring things and have felt like I need to make sure they keep moving along.
I'm comfortable making some casual comments about comics, but I'm not sure if I'd ever really be comfortable doing more intentional/focused critique… both because that kind of thing can be time consuming and difficult, and also because I don't think I want to be known as a "comic reviewer." For some reason I'm just averse to that. Maybe because I don't consider myself an expert or all that knowledgable about comics and comic techniques really and would feel pretty pretentious evaluating other people's efforts on a platform as 'big' as the podcast.
Then again, before we started these we were worried about how we would EVER fill up 10-15 minutes. Now they're like 45 minutes and take up to 3 hours of my week. :]
We are working on setting up our first interview but it might take a week or two before it airs!
Thanks for all the feedback so far, it's useful to have and we've been trying to respond to it. We're operating in a bit of a vacuum really, doing stuff we hope works, so hearing if it does or doesn't is good. We want the podcasts to be something people will listen to, so it's important we know what that is. :]
My brain goes into fecking idiot mode on occasion… Quackcast 10 will feature some really classics from me unfortunately -_-
I personally think long rambly podcasts can be a little bit tedious to listen to. Is it "friendly rapport" people like more than ramble?
Also, self referential stuff is the easiest thing to talk about (always), but unless that has a wider implication that applies more generally (like comic making), I find that deathly dull to listen to in podcasts or on the radio. Hahahaha! So I'm going to try and stay away from too much self reference because I don't want to inflict that on others.
I think episode #10 is definitely the best in the series so far. The popularity section alone was really good. I think filler art is only really necessary to let your readers know you're still here, or if it contains important info about the story which hasn't been included in the story. One thing, Ozone talks about the legend of the Monkey king, he even mentions SON GOKU but no word of Dragon Ball?!
Thanks for the feedback everyone. :] I think we will be comfortable making these longer than the 20-25 minutes we originally started with, just so we can fit in more of the things people are saying they like. Advice and whatever.
Next week's quackcast will be super special! We've done an interview (not telling who yet) and it's so long it will be split into 2 parts, the next 2 podcasts.
After that we'll have a quackcast about how people can make use of the comic review forum even if they're not having their comic reviewed, dig out advice, talk about how to give/receive criticism, etc.
After that, dunno yet!
Yeah people need to get their asses to the review forum. Taking the time to review comics that re listed there is a good way to read something that you might not have bothered with otherwise. I discovered Project GTH and air raid robertson like that. I also checked out comics of people that reviewed mine. it's kind of cyclical.
LOVED the popularity discussion, really wish that went on for a lot longer. In addition to what was already mentioned, I've noticed the top 10 comics average about 400 pages per book! Now that's what I call commitment.
The Lost In Transition feature discussion got me thinking about how hard it is for most people to write the opposite sex. If I had a scene with a female character she'd probably be vengefully emptying a semi-automatic into a crowd of bearded midgets wearing nothing but a g-string.
Anyway great stuff, episode 10 is definitely the best so far.
I agree, 10 is my favorite. so far. And I also liked the advice re: popularity. I had noticed several of the items you mentioned, but hadn't consciously strung them together.
And, thanks for indulging the wacko request ( mine :D ) for a date stamp of sorts. I just found it interesting because I only listened to 10 yesterday, which was -what?- 13 days after your taping. So for example: when you taped, Christopher was No. 1. Yesterday he was no longer among the top 10.
That's a useful note, ayes. I admit I didn't quite get why we should include the date, but making it an easy reference for when we're talking about timely stuff makes sense. I guess I just assume that the second it's released a million people download it and listen to it with excitement.
Glad that discussion was interesting and useful to people. :] We'll definitely keep that in mind when it comes to future topics! We do want these to have practical information on advice (not that we are experts about everything), not as platforms for our own interests or whatever.
Yeah, unfortunately Oz and I don't have any control over that. Wowio is the one who takes the audio feeds, edits them up and whatever and releases them. I'm not sure why it takes 2.5 working days, perhaps it's just a scheduling thing. But I can ask about the possibility of moving it up a bit. That may become more possible once we have things a little more streamlined, currently we're trying some different things to get the audio to sound better. Wowio is the one doing all the work though, Oz and I haven't had to mess with that (thankfully).
BTW, episode 10 should sound better too, since we are doing the audio differently. :]
Edit: \/\/\/ Ever since the initial 5 or 6 week delay we've been conscious that we should be careful when talking about stuff that has a deadline. The cintiq was a bit risky because the auction was going to end on the day of release, but no one bids before the last day anyway, so. :] But it's a good point that people listening at some point in the farther future probably would want to know a specific deadline date rather than "a few weeks" or whatever. So we'll have to keep that in mind too! Thanks.
Yeah darthfurby, especially if they're mentioning something that has a deadline. I kept thinking to myself what if the cintiq wasn't still for sale like they were talking about. I'm sure they have the reasons for the wait. The audio for that last one sounded better to me(especially when they were talking about me!) so cheers. There was a tiny echo though.
Well keep up the good work.
Thankyou again guys for posting feedback here. It's invaluable to us and we love it all!
We need it to improve.
One thing I think I'm getting is that info that generally applies to making webcomics and just stuff about being a webcomic artist is what people want to hear- tips and tricks sort of stuff, not just "this is how I do it" but useful info for everyone!
To that end I'm thinking along the lines of special guests who might have a good perspective on various aspects of that… maybe?
You guys are incredibly kind. The podcast emanates niceness. That being said, I really liked how in this latest 'cast the gloves kinda sorta came off and y'all got down to some old-fashioned constructive criticism. Got some intelligent peeps with some ear-worthy opinions behind them mics. I would love (love) to see you guys expand the show by getting some guests all up in your pod. Do some interviews or get a round-table for topic discussion or something. Just keep up the good work.
Expanding on the stuff about a round table discussion thing, that would work well for reviews, it might encourage you to open up a little about your real opinions. perhaps discuss the latest comic up in the review forum… which happens to be mine :}
I dunno how you would choose who to get on for it, maybe just mods and admins.
Also help people plug their stuff, maybe one for each podcast pick out a comic from the hey look at what I did section. It's often the first place new dd'ers go to plug comics and may help them along a bit.
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