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Hakoshen
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Considering the election is over in 5 minutes, it's awfully quiet.

harkovast
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Hakoshen change your vote to me, otherwise you are basically voting for ochi!

And ochi is wya more likely to be mafia then me!!!

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Hakoshen change your vote to me, otherwise you are basically voting for ochi!

And ochi is wya more likely to be mafia then me!!!

Harkovast, that last argument makes no sense - previous random selections wouldn't impact the current one. That's the gambler's fallacy.

I believe you're doing anything to win, even making nonsensical arguments just to attack my reputation. I'm not going to accuse you of being mafia - but it's certainly not any less likely.

harkovast
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I am pretty certain niccea is not mafia, as one of her votes defected which may have cost her the win.
The other candidate however…winning with 3 helpers, all of whome seem wierdly certain of who they have to vote for with little or no persuasion from her…
Makes you wonder…

Hakoshen
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Well, ONE of the two of them is. The question is, which camp is guilty? As I said, I stand by my beliefs, and I don't believe in voting against someone as I believe in voting for them.

Edit for bad math.

Either way, it doesn't matter any more.

harkovast
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Ochi my arguement is not based on previous roles, you are casting a smear against me, trying to paint my arguement as something it is not.
My arguement is you are mafia because you have 3 very loyal supporters who jumped in your boat with little or no persuasion.
Waff was not even open to discussion on the idea of another candidate. Weirdly certain for a guy who does not know the roles of anyone!

I've had to scrape and crawl to get anyone to vote for me!
I've been making deals, begging, borrowing, you name it.
If I was a mafia, I'd be on easy street already….like YOU ARE!

humorman
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Final Mayoral vote:

Ochitsukanai (4)
Ochitsukanai
waff
Dukat
odysseus55

Niccea (3)
gullas
Niccea
skoolmunkee

harkovast (3)
harkovast
leaderofstars
ozoneocean

Hakoshen (1)
Hakoshen


Congratulations to Ochistukanai! You have been elected to the office of mayor. Here are your official powers:

- The mayor's lynching vote counts as 3.
- In addition to increased voting power, the mayor has the ability to cast a tie-breaking vote in the event of a tie.
- Until 3pm PST during the day, the mayor can call to lynch as many people as he wishes.
- From 4pm to 5pm PST, the mayor can pardon one of the doomed lynchees per day. Also during this time, the mayor can decide to throw any amount of the lynchees in jail rather than kill them.
- If a person has been in jail for one day, the mayor can either allow to set free that person or lynch that person at the end of the current day.
- The mayor can only be lynched if he receives the majority of that days vote. He can only be attacked if three people attack him on the same night.
- In the event the mayor is killed by mafia or through coup, no lynchings can occur until a new mayor is elected or martial law is declared.


The night phase begins now, and ends 5:00pm PST. Try not getting yourselves killed!

harkovast
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Hakoshen, your lack of enthusiam for stopping the mafia concerns me. I will ahve to watch you closely. If people send a message to humorman before he comes back on he would probably count it (as I am assuming he is not a total jerk) your desire to give in an accept a possible mafia government makes me wonder what your real agenda is.
Niccea and ochi are either mafia or masons, I just dont know which is which.
Niccea may have decided she could not win so one of her followers switched to me to make them look innocent.
The masons know each other so will all vote for each other.
I say we kill Niccea and ochi.
If one is mason, the other is mafia, and vice versa.
Ochi, since you are mayor, I dont suppose you would mind voting to eliminate niccea, since she was your main rival and thus the most likley to be a mafia.
Of course if ochi does not want to kill niccea, ochi has something to hide and is most likely the mafia.

Or so goes my logic….

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I am pretty certain niccea is not mafia, as one of her votes defected which may have cost her the win.
The other candidate however…winning with 3 helpers, all of whome seem wierdly certain of who they have to vote for with little or no persuasion from her…
Makes you wonder…

And yet, you don't point out Niccea's effortless garnering of votes - Gullas voted for her instantly, and both Skool and Ozone voted without mentioning it at all.

How did you get Ozone's vote, ultimately? You mention a vote defected from her, which "may have cost her the win" - but you somehow forgot to mention that YOU got it. Isn't that suspicious?

EDIT: Given your post just now, though…perhaps I was meant to find you suspicious…?

harkovast
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Ochi, if you want to convince me you are not mafia, lynch niccea.
One of you has to be mafia, one has to be mason.
If you kill her and she is a mafia, you have my 100% support.

harkovast
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I should mention, if I die tonight can everyone please pay attention to my theories!
If the mafia kills me it means I am probably right!

Hakoshen
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Ochi, if you want to convince me you are not mafia, lynch niccea.
One of you has to be mafia, one has to be mason.
If you kill her and she is a mafia, you have my 100% support.

And if she kills her and she's not?

harkovast
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If ochi kills niccea and niccea is not a mafia (and therefore is a mason) the ochi must be the mafia.
One of the two front runners in the election had to be mafia, one had to be mason.
That seems logical to me. The mafia would not have ignored the chance to get a mafia mayor! Especially not after the way the mayor shafted them last time.
Lets face it, I was an outside candidate who made a mad dash at the end. Those two were the really strong contenders.
Of course if we kill both of them and niether are guilty….I suppose it will be my neck on the chopping block, but I dont think it will come to that.

harkovast
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What will be really interesting is if ochi starts making excuses for why we cant kill niccea.
If the other two prove innocent, I will happily accept death for the sake of the town. I am sure Ochi and niccea are equally willing to die for the good of the community.

Hakoshen
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If ochi kills niccea and niccea is not a mafia (and therefore is a mason) the ochi must be the mafia.
One of the two front runners in the election had to be mafia, one had to be mason.
That seems logical to me. The mafia would not have ignored the chance to get a mafia mayor! Especially not after the way the mayor shafted them last time.
Lets face it, I was an outside candidate who made a mad dash at the end. Those two were the really strong contenders.
Of course if we kill both of them and niether are guilty….I suppose it will be my neck on the chopping block, but I dont think it will come to that.

You know, you make a valid point. Ochi was one of my supporters when the campaigning was just tomfoolery. Then, when the roles were passed out, she suddenly pulls out a whirlwind victory? The way I see it, we've either identified the masons or we've identified the mob, or quite possibly both.

harkovast
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Hakoshen, thankyou! Glad to see someone getting on board the logic express.

Did I ever tell you how much I like your forum name?

I'm happy to die if both those two are innocent, but I find that incredibly unlikely.

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The only thing I have to ask of you is that, in case she is the paranoid, I am allowed to make the first vote. In a private discussion, she insinuated that this might be the case. You're right - if I'm vague about it, if I try to make excuses, I'll look guiltier.

I don't want anyone killed just because you cast suspicions on me. You've forced my hand, Harkovast.

If she IS the paranoid, your timing is awful and you've happened to kill a particularly popular townie. There are several ways that this could be a Mafia plan to get me killed. All that I can do to convince you all is to tell you my information.

If I am lying, it will be found out that quickly and you can kill me afterward; if I am truthful, you will be able to trust me after this. No matter what, you have more to gain by trusting me this one time.

All that I can do is report what she has said to me. If she accuses me in return, or claims that she said no such thing, I can only describe my previous suspicions regarding other things she has said and done.

Ozoneocean
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I switched my vote from Niccea to Harko because he campaigned me.
I think Niccea would’ve made a good mayor.

Hakoshen was too eager to kill… that doesn't point to his role though because he was doing that before he got one.

I don't think Occhi or Niccea are definitely baddies at this stage. I just don't know either way.

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Anyway, someone kill me please. It will make the game better, I promise! ^_^
Plus, added bonus special:
-You won't have me whining on in the thread because I won't be allowed to post. :)

Sound like a good deal? I think it does! So kill me now, I'm waiting.

-This messages is NOT reverse psychology. It's a straight forward plea.

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I switched my vote from Niccea to Harko because he campaigned me.
I think Niccea would’ve made a good mayor.

Ah - at this point you can be covering for Niccea by pointing out Harkovast's actions. Again, suspicion would be drawn to him in that case.

You accuse Hakoshen suddenly as well…

I don't think Occhi or Niccea are definitely baddies at this stage. I just don't know either way.

It appears certain that you are hurriedly covering for Niccea. You don't accuse me because in the event that you look suspicious, I will also look suspicious…and yet, you spell my abbreviated name the same as Niccea often does, with an extra "c."

"Ochi," not "Occhi."

Hakoshen
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Hakoshen was too eager to kill the mafia… that doesn't point to his role though because he was doing that before he got one.

You forgot one little detail there.

odysseus55
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You make a pretty strong point Hark that Seems pretty obvious.

Perhaps too obvious. Lets look at this another way…

The mafia put up 3 people for mayor.

Niccea, Harkovast and LOS (Ozone is the fourth)

Their thinking:
Hakoshen is the new guy so he probably wont get any votes
Ochi is probably going to pull some votes
Niccea will garner some votes, maybe hark
LOS is just in for good measure

So Ozone votes for Niccea but they came in at 4 after Ochi
Time to switch to Hark because there are still 8 votes outstanding. It will give him an out if Niccea is discovered

So Hark, Ozone and Niccea are pulled out as mafia.
The jury is out on LOS, but a decent lynching can find this out pretty easily.

Ozoneocean
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lol!

Ok, sure. Sounds cool! I say when morning comes and if I'm still alive, you lynch me first, just to make sure. FIRST mind. ;)

…or last. I suppose the order doesn't really matter since you have to wait till the end of the day anyway for it to actually happen.

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I wasn't going to say this… but what the heck?1
-LOS and the2ndredbarron are my mafia buddies.
…Actually I just want Los killed as well for fun, but barron really is mafia. Mark my word on it.-

But make sure you kill me first.

Hakoshen
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I wasn't going to say this… but what the heck?1
-LOS and the2ndredbarron are my mafia buddies.
…Actually I just want Los killed as well for fun, but barron really is mafia. Mark my word on it.-

But make sure you kill me first.

Either you've been paid by the mob (or sweet talked) into taking a dive to throw everyone off, or you've got some major cajones under that mustache of yours.

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No. I've staked my life on Niccea being guilty. I'll be lynched if she's innocent, or she'll automatically kill me if she's innocent. Either way, if Niccea is innocent, I will very likely die.

It's a far greater loss to lose a townie mayor than a potential paranoid who could kill anyone from either alignment. I'll repeat it: there's less to lose by voting Niccea in any case.

And…

If Ozone is the bomber, it's dangerous to vote for him anyway. We don't know who he may have targeted - and his most useful role would be to die.

So for this round…Ozone should definitely remain alive. Besides, wouldn't everyone miss his cute butt? ^_~

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