Thread "With fuel prices going through the roof, what advice do you have for saving money on it?" in forum "Comic Talk and General Discussion *"

Posted at 6:06AM, Jun. 10, 2008

it's realy sad to see so many people with such limited vision , this is a site for artists , is it not? you are supposed to be the visionaries , this is the problem we are in as a species ; so many people are programmed to emediatly disregard everything they hear that is contradictory to what the mainstream media spews out .
TURN of your TV

Kyupol is right !

- Cut down spending on frivolous things. Instead of accumulating stuff you wont be needing, spend your time either meditating, praying to God, or researching for the truth.

- Try to mend the broken ties with family. If the world goes to shit because of the criminals running the US government (dont you think they need to be arrested for violating the Logan Act as well as the constitution?), you have family to turn to. Your family will be a buffer zone if shit happens.

- Aside from mending ties with family, try your best to make friends. God knows if you might need each other.

- If you can, either grow a backyard "farm" or invest in those military rations.

- Get a fuel efficient car, or take public transport, or walk.

- Invest that money. I know it is debatable if gold and silver is the way to go rather than investing that money in "fiat" currency. Still its important to save for the rainy days.

- While money still has value, use it to fight the infowar and learn as many skills as you possibly can. In the event of total economic collapse, the skills you learn can be your currency. What is money anyway? Money is just something that measures the amount of goods and services you're allowed to have. Its not the money but the value that it has.

- Stop watching TV.

- Stop eating as much.

- If you're forced to buy cheap food that are high in sugar and sodium, at least invest $20 on one of those "body cleanser" kits.

- Exercise more.

- Wake people up about the Bilderberg Group. They talked about this back in 2006 of increasing the fuel prices. And its happening. They plan to get the oil up to $200 a barrel. They're doing it so that China will have a hard time getting fuel. As the Western Elite are at odds with the Asian Elite.

- Pray that WW3 wont happen. God I could imagine a war with Russia, China, Pakistan, Iran, and Syria.

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I don't care anymore if you'd flame me and call me a paranoid conspiracy wackjob or something.

Its not a conspiracy theory anymore but a fact to me.

I can't hate a fellow human being anymore for disagreeing with me on this. I dont hate but feel sorry for them.

Look. I'm here trying to open your eyes because I care about you.

Posted at 6:06AM, Jun. 10, 2008

My job has decided to give us the option of 4 day, 10 hour weeks! That should save some mileage on all of our cars!

Something doesn't seem right about that. Although I imagine lots of people will take them up on it at the chance to have a 3-day weekend, I think working an extra 2.5 hours a day is gonna add up pysically/mentally.

I doubt they did it for gas/mileage concerns.

Posted at 6:06AM, Jun. 10, 2008

I've had to stop driving my Hummer H2 around and switch to using my GMC Yukon instead. It's a tough sacrifice, but we must all do what we can to help out in these difficult times.

Posted at 6:06AM, Jun. 10, 2008

I propose that we work on a new alternative fuel source from the bullshit that kyupol spouts, the great part is we'll never run out

Posted at 6:06AM, Jun. 10, 2008

Something doesn't seem right about that. Although I imagine lots of people will take them up on it at the chance to have a 3-day weekend, I think working an extra 2.5 hours a day is gonna add up pysically/mentally.

I doubt they did it for gas/mileage concerns.

Well, since I'm usually here 10 hours a day anyway, it's fine for me.

Oh, and it's only 2, not 2.5. ;)

Posted at 7:06AM, Jun. 10, 2008

4 hours a day at my day job and even THAT is too much. -_-
NO WAY could I do 10 hours, even for only 4 days a week. Life sapping.

Posted at 7:06AM, Jun. 10, 2008

4 hours a day at my day job and even THAT is too much. -_-
NO WAY could I do 10 hours, even for only 4 days a week. Life sapping.

hah ! LUCKY ! i work 10-12 hours a day, that's not counting time spent growing my crops

Posted at 8:06AM, Jun. 10, 2008

**Walk or bike everywhere you can - even if you don't really feel like it. Exercise is good for you!
**If you *must* drive, fine. Carpool if possible (if you don't have a carpool program at your job, START ONE); try to avoid stop-and-go traffic situations. Find some backroads! Google maps is your friend!
**If you're driving, make sure you're keeping your car in good condition. Regular oil changes and tune-ups help you get the most efficient gas mileage out of your vehicle.
**Combine your errands into one trip instead of several small ones.
**Turn down your AC or turn it off completely when you're driving. Yeah, that sucks in the summer, but you get better gas mileage with the window down.

Posted at 9:06AM, Jun. 10, 2008

Use industrial-grade pure acetone to spike your gasoline.

You get more miles from the gallon, cleaner emissions, more power, and smoother engine. And no, it does not harm your engine or rubber sealants/tubings. I used acetone in my Corvette for years, and I drove a lot. But it's not just for racing cars.

Look it up on Google to see how to (easily) mix acetone with your gasoline. A small 16 ounces bottle will last you a long time.

Gasoline industry purposely mix bad things into gasoline, so it's not as efficient as it could be - So you have to get gas more often. Acetone counters that.

Improvement varies for different cars. For myself, the difference is immediately noticeable; but that's because the types of cars I drive offer more feedback than the average luxury-minded sedan. I'm told newer cars benefit less. But there is no harm.

Posted at 10:06AM, Jun. 10, 2008

NO WAY could I do 10 hours, even for only 4 days a week. Life sapping.

Who says I have a life?

I'm here aren't I? :P

Use industrial-grade pure acetone to spike your gasoline.

NOT A GOOD IDEA. Acetone is what people may know as nail polish remover. Car Talk also de-bunked the validity of it. Sorry.

// Edit: Ah, I see you covered the "no harm" thing.

Were the decision of adding or not adding acetone to one's fuel tank merely a question of whether the practice boosted gasoline performance, that would be one thing, but unfortunately there are other issues to consider, such as the harm that the solvent can work on vehicles. Acetone is corrosive, which means it can eat away at rubber components such as gaskets and O-rings. A particularly bad result for cars with rubber hoses in their fuel lines.

Posted at 8:06PM, Jun. 10, 2008

**Turn down your AC or turn it off completely when you're driving. Yeah, that sucks in the summer, but you get better gas mileage with the window down.

i'm pretty sure the mythbusters busted that one.

Posted at 9:06PM, Jun. 10, 2008

Ha, I'm sure there is a reason that AC thing isn't correct, so I'll clarify: It works for *me* but that's not any indication I suppose that it will work for everyone.

Posted at 10:06PM, Jun. 10, 2008

@ Spang:

Considering the stakes involved, I wouldn't trust snopes.com blindly. In fact I think it's flat-out wrong.

- I drove a racing-type car with high feedback. I used acetone for years. I can tell you with 100% certainty that my car functioned better with acetone. Acetone + normal gas had the same boost as high-octane gas. (Yes yes I know I should not use normal gas for vettes.)

- I used acetone continuously for years. I refueled every 4-7 days. My car did not suddenly break down or start leaking everywhere.

- More scientific sites have vouched for acetone. Ppl have tested the "acetone erodes rubber tubing" rumor and debunked it. NASCAR uses acetone.

Posted at 1:06PM, Jun. 11, 2008

Considering the stakes involved, I wouldn't trust snopes.com blindly. In fact I think it's flat-out wrong.

True enough. But why would I trust you blindly, considering the stakes involved (my car)?

…More scientific sites have vouched for acetone. Ppl have tested the "acetone erodes rubber tubing" rumor and debunked it. NASCAR uses acetone.

Please cite these SCIENTIFIC sites. Because everywhere I go, I see just as many people debunking or warning the use of acetone as the ones that say it may increase performance.

I also see all over the place that if you don't have the mix "just right" then you may hurt your mileage more than you help it. Also, as acetone is highly volatile, it may dislodge something in your fuel system system that would have stayed in place. It may stir up gunk that didn't need to be disturbed. Then you have bigger problems.

You have a Corvette, I drive a Dodge Stratus. I think it's pretty clear who would take care of their car more meticulously so that these problems wouldn't arise to begin with. My car has cheaper parts, too (obviously). Can you say with 100% certainty that it would not corrode these cheaper parts? Doesn't the fact that your car runs on high-octane gas kind of prove that you may have more corrosive resistant parts?

All I'm saying is telling the average person with the average car who does average maintenance on it "hey just dump some paint thinner in your gas tank" is probably not the best idea.

EDIT// I also just found out that Myth Busters debunked the practice of using acetone as well.

Posted at 6:06PM, Jun. 11, 2008

I am not inclined to try to convince anyone, because I don't owe anyone any explanations.
If you're proactive enough, and want to cut down on your own fuel costs… then you will do your own research.
I copied several in-depth testimonials but I've decided not to paste them. Anyone interested in better-performing gas, read up on acetone yourself.
I've discussed acetone on other forums and anyone who tried it like me, also profess varying degrees of improvement. Compared to the dirt-cheapness of commercial acetone, and how little you need to add to each tank of gas… any savings in gas is worth it.

Important: Newer cars do get less benefit from this method. This has been established.

Posted at 2:06PM, Jun. 14, 2008

1. WALK MORE
Start your Chevre-legs and get moving. Most things are close enough to walk to regardless of where you live.

2. ACCELERATE GENTLY AND SMOOTHLY
I'm amazed at how many people just slam it when the light turns green. Your car doesn't need half acceleration to get up to speed. Imagine you're pressing down on an egg as you accelerate. This will save you a lot of gas in the long run.

3. DON'T IDLE YOUR CAR FOR LONG
Again, many people just sit with their car idling for whatever reason. Minimize this! Take streets which don't have many stop signs and/or stop lights to get better gas mileage.

4. OPEN THE WINDOW AND USE THE VENTS, NOT THE AIR CONDITIONING
Even with how much common sense this seems to be, I've had people tell me, "I never even thought of that…" Really, it's not that hot out there, is it? The reason most people won't use the window is because they "can't hear their radio". Boo-hoo. It's either turn the radio up and deal with a bit of street noise, or spend more money on gasoline.

5. GET A TUNE UP
Too many people just let their cars run down without proper maintenance. A bad air filter alone can cost up to a 10% downgrade in gas mileage. Also, change your oil regularly. When your car doesn't have to work as hard, it doesn't burn as much gasoline.

Oh, and this last part only applies to certain people…like me:

6. RIDE YOUR MOTORCYCLE
Mine gets around 42 miles to the gallon, has less emissions than a car, and is a lot more fun.

Posted at 4:06PM, Jun. 14, 2008

I am not inclined to try to convince anyone, because I don't owe anyone any explanations.

Yes you do. You're making the claim, so the burden of proof lies upon YOU.

Posted at 5:06PM, Jun. 14, 2008

Yes you do. You're making the claim, so the burden of proof lies upon YOU.

Hi APC.

See, this is how it worked for me. Someone online mentioned acetone. Ofc I didn't take 1 person's word for it; I did my own research. I decided it's worth a shot. I then proceeded to use acetone (correctly) for years, and got improved performance for my car.

I'm not here to debate with naysayers about acetone. I just wanted to inform like-minded ppl. You don't want to use it, be my guest. But anyone who's proactive and curious can now go do their own research.

I think that should say everything about that.

Posted at 5:06PM, Jun. 14, 2008

Yes you do. You're making the claim, so the burden of proof lies upon YOU.
Hi APC.

See, this is how it worked for me. Someone online mentioned acetone. Ofc I didn't take 1 person's word for it; I did my own research. I decided it's worth a shot. I then proceeded to use acetone (correctly) for years, and got improved performance for my car.

I'm not here to debate with naysayers about acetone. I just wanted to inform like-minded ppl. You don't want to use it, be my guest. But anyone who's proactive and curious can now go do their own research.

I think that should say everything about that.

No, it really doesn't. You keep defending it, but you won't link to a proper, scientific study. You know, one with controls and multiple variables and all that fun stuff? You claim they exist, but I've yet to find even one study that's done that. Just anecdotal evidence like yours, which is enough to imply that it may just be a placebo effect.

Posted at 6:06PM, Jun. 14, 2008

See, this is how it worked for me. Someone online mentioned acetone. Ofc I didn't take 1 person's word for it; I did my own research. I found a ton of sites that mentioned it worked. Plus, I found a ton of sites that said a) It doesn't really work because anyone claiming it works do not do precise controlled experiments and b) It may actually harm cars that have cheap innards.

Plus snopes.com, Car Talk, and Mythbusters all did research in the field of acetone use and debunked it. Since they are experts in the fields of research, cars, and controlled scientific experiments, I went back to the someone online and asked for definitive proof. He told me that I wasn't looking at the right websites that prove scientifically that it does work, but he wasn't going to tell me what websites they are, and was unwilling to share them.

So… I decided it's probably NOT worth a shot to dump paint thinner in my car.

I think that should say everything about that.

Posted at 7:06PM, Jun. 14, 2008

@ APC and Spang:
OK, don't use it. You think I sell acetone or something? Or maybe you think I'm 13 y/o and fall for internet reverse psychology?

For everyone else who's never heard of adding acetone into your gasoline tank before:
If you want to save some money on gas, improve engine performance, and have cleaner emissions, do some research on acetone, and decide for yourself.

I have yet to hear of or read about anyone's car leaking because acetone somehow ate thru their car.

Posted at 7:06PM, Jun. 14, 2008

@ APC and Spang:
OK, don't use it. You think I sell acetone or something? Or maybe you think I'm 13 y/o and fall for internet reverse psychology?

For everyone else who's never heard of adding acetone into your gasoline tank before:
If you want to save some money on gas, improve engine performance, and have cleaner emissions, do some research on acetone, and decide for yourself.

I have yet to hear of or read about anyone's car leaking because acetone somehow ate thru their car.

This isn't reverse psychology, it's telling you to back up your damn claims or piss off.

Posted at 8:06PM, Jun. 14, 2008

Since they are experts in the fields of research, cars, and controlled scientific experiments

Mythbusters are none of those. It's a great show, but they admit as much themselves. :)

In the Debunking I've read it's not 100% definitive that it doesn't work. It's more like, they just haven't been able to get those results themselves and they also say all cars are very different and it's hard to know what small changes to the fuel mixture will do.

I think what that indicates is that the claims of an easy relationship between adding more acetone and improved performance are exaggerated and unlikely to be true, since it's not easy to reproduce. But it's not impossible and you can't rule it out entirely until you can do controlled experiments on the cars of people who have claimed successes. ^_^

Posted at 9:06PM, Jun. 14, 2008

Since they are experts in the fields of research, cars, and controlled scientific experiments
Mythbusters are none of those. It's a great show, but they admit as much themselves. :)

To clear up what I said…

Experts in the field of research = Snopes.com
Experts in the field of cars = Car Talk
Experts in the field of controlled scientific experiments = Mythbusters

If you are going to say Mythbusters does not perform controlled scientific experiments, then please tell me where else would be more reputable. Besides, I never said I was taking any of those guys at face value either. I've asked time and time again for PROOF, not bogus testimonials.

Hell, if mlai said "I use industrial-grade pure acetone to spike my gasoline" instead of "Use industrial-grade pure acetone to spike your gasoline", it wouldn't have been as big an issue for me.

Posted at 9:06PM, Jun. 14, 2008

No, they never control their experiments lol!
Not in a scientific way.

I don't want to be mean of deliberately contrary, but that would only rate as controlled and scientific back in the 1600s :(

It's rough and ready easy to grasp stuff, more in the mode of a really big, expensive highschool experiment. They only control a minimum of factors, a lot of it is out doors usually and subject to massive environmental influence, to name but one factor, but there are many others. And they never do enough trials. -All factors that can be controlled should be, error factors calculated for the rest, make detailed records of everything, design trials and have them peer reveiwed, do your experiments over a long period of time, agains and again….

For controlled scientific results you'd have to go to the labs of a big car producer, or even better: the syndicates that develop racing car engines, Formula 1, Indy 500, Le Mans- all that. Those guys are fanatic about performance and they control their experiments extremely carefully.
Or you could always go to a university…
It's likely that the aforementioned racing syndicates have already done the research.

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I did a web search for Formula 1 racing using Acetone, but it seems they stopped using it back in the 30s and 50s. The fuel mixture back then was notoriously volatile and would damage engines…