Well since you're interested in ancient festivals and how they've ended up with a Christian title, I find this tidbit very interesting and it has very early roots.
I've come to the conclusion that the festival known as Christmas has nothing to do with 1st century Christanity….go figure.
Quote from:http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/CGG/ID/504
Two key figures in the origin of Christmas are Nimrod, a great grandson of Noah, and his mother and wife, Semiramis, also known as Ishtar and Isis. Nimrod, known in Egypt as Osiris, was the founder of the first world empire at Babel, later known as Babylon (Genesis 10:8-12; 11:1-9). From ancient sources such as the "Epic of Gilgamesh" and records unearthed by archeologists from long-ruined Mesopotamian and Egyptian cities, we can reconstruct subsequent events.
After Nimrod's death (c. 2167 BC), Semiramis promoted the belief that he was a god. She claimed that she saw a full-grown evergreen tree spring out of the roots of a dead tree stump, symbolizing the springing forth of new life for Nimrod. On the anniversary of his birth, she said, Nimrod would visit the evergreen tree and leave gifts under it. His birthday fell on the winter solstice at the end of December.
A few years later, Semiramis bore a son, Horus or Gilgamesh. She declared that she had been visited by the spirit of Nimrod, who left her pregnant with the boy. Horus, she maintained, was Nimrod reincarnated. With a father, mother, and son deified, a deceptive, perverted trinity was formed.
Semiramis and Horus were worshipped as "Madonna and child." As the generations passed, they were worshipped under other names in different countries and languages. Many of these are recognizable: Fortuna and Jupiter in Rome; Aphrodite and Adonis in Greece; and Ashtoreth/Astarte and Molech/Baal in Canaan.
During the time between Babel and Christ, pagans developed the belief that the days grew shorter in early winter because their sun-god was leaving them. When they saw the length of the day increasing, they celebrated by riotous, unrestrained feasting and orgies. This celebration, known as Saturnalia, was named after Saturn, another name for Nimrod.
P.S I'm happy generally any time of year and take no offense at merry and happy….
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[Rant] Oh the Holiday season...
Can't go wrong with Happy Christmahanakwanzaka.Actually I said happy christmahanakwanza last year and an atheist got genuinly angry about it -_-.
Also. I view it differently. When I say Merry Christmas, I refer to the day rather than the religous celerbration. It is just December 25. It is my saying good day.
I just find the whole politiically correct thing a bunch of crap.
And yeah the politically corect thing is total shite, but I like to mock it with my obviously fake concern about it lol.
Can't go wrong with Happy Christmahanakwanzaka.Actually I said happy christmahanakwanza last year and an atheist got genuinly angry about it -_-.
Also. I view it differently. When I say Merry Christmas, I refer to the day rather than the religous celerbration. It is just December 25. It is my saying good day.
I just find the whole politiically correct thing a bunch of crap.
That's pretty crazy! Happy Christmahanakwanzarandomgiftday maybe?
I celebrate Christmas, but not for religious reasons. For me it's basically a nice day where Santa brings my family presents. And I wouldn't be offended if someone wished me a happy Hanukkah or joyous Ramadan or whatnot.
If Christmas offends you, just go to work then. And get paid 1.5x your normal salary. :)
That's what I do. No elf hats, no santa beards just a bored looking security guard listening to soppy Christmas songs (and hating Jungle Bell Rock too)
And thinking of a bunch of guys in the snow clustered around a fire in a cut open Jerry fuel can, clutching their M1s and rubbing their hands, singing "I'll be home for Christmas… if only in my dreams" or a group in digital camo somewhere in Southwest Asia with A-rat Turkey dinners rapidly getting cold on the sandbag next to them…
Arguing over Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas is the least of problems…
I don't get offended when someone wishes me a Merry Christmas. I usually just reply with a simple "back at ya" because I celebrate a holiday that very few people have ever heard of and don't want to have to explain both the holiday and my spirituality.
The fact that it falls within a few days of Christmas is nice because I get to spend time with my family and still partake in the same traditions we've always had since those are mostly secular. Come on, the making and consumption of a giant meat pie is completely non-religious. It is just delicious.
So yeah, whatever you do around the 25th, have a good one.
If Christmas offends you, just go to work then. And get paid 1.5x your normal salary. :)
That's what I do. No elf hats, no santa beards just a bored looking security guard listening to soppy Christmas songs (and hating Jungle Bell Rock too)
I have to worry about the occasional drunken riot. Now I'm only paid to report the thing to the police, but some of the drunkards had the mind to try pulling me into it telling me it was my job to wade into a fight to stop it…
I just hope I don't run into two guys in the back of the store "going at it like rabbits"… I've already seen this once and the image has been burned into my memory for the rest of my existence…
The problem is that "happy holidays" isn't replacing "Merry Christmas" because it's more accurate or something. It's forced on people because some morons found "Merry Christmas" politically incorrect. So sorry, I refuse saying "Happy Holidays", it will always be "Merry Christmas" for me, because political correctness is like all stupidity in history of manking fused into one thing and raped by the devil until it forgot how it's name is. There's nothing dumber than political correctnes, maybe claiming than Holocaust didn't happened, but I'm not sure.
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