The photo one is really funny, but the penis-style one looks like it took more time and effort (whether or not it actually did) – and it's more dynamic with poses and motion. I like the way he looks like he's being attacked by gray blob people. I think it would have gone over better. But, hell, you're marine. Whatever you make, you seem to end up pissing someone off. :) (People see your name, and they think "insult" instead of "joke." )
And just for the record, my other remix wasn't because I didn't like it (I'm one of those weirdos contributing to penis's pageviews… ;) ), but to help ease the people who were upset. I don't like people being upset. (I suspect you actually put more effort into it than I did, and yours is far funnier.)
I put a lot of effort into it. At least a good hour on the finished photo page or more. A lot of that was trying out different things to get it to work right. For the penis style one, I think it was a lot less time than a regular penis page because the layout was already there from Bleachemon. I just didn't want people to complain that all I did was dress up my characters to fit with remix.
Has nobody considered how I feel about this? I'm no stiff when it comes to taking or dishing out the dozens, but something about this whole thing just cuts me to the bone. Like I just can't please my peer group within the community, but people outside of it looking in think its great. I think used books is right. But the page wasn't so much for the people saying mean things about me's opinions, it was more about the guy whose comic I remixed thoughts. I'd be curious to see what they have to say. *fingers crossed its positive*
I always try to do stuff that stands out and is different from what everyone else was going to do, and the very least got some people talking. Theres no such thing as bad publicity, right? I think next remix, I'd rather do behind the scenes work. I'm not much of an drawing type artist anyway.
Has nobody considered how I feel about this? I'm no stiff when it comes to taking or dishing out the dozens, but something about this whole thing just cuts me to the bone. Like I just can't please my peer group within the community, but people outside of it looking in think its great. I think used books is right. But the page wasn't so much for the people saying mean things about me's opinions, it was more about the guy whose comic I remixed thoughts. I'd be curious to see what they have to say. *fingers crossed its positive*
Yeah, I am really sorry. I did think very deeply about all that, and that's why I did my best to make my intentions clear. I seem to have trouble doing that lately. I was just going to add comments to your merit, but those were being ignored, and I'm never a very strong voice. It only seems to fuel "the opposition." I wanted all the flames to just go out.
BTW, I saw Avalon comics is back, and he seems to appreciate the marine humor in the way it was intended. :D
Marine, I think you rub alot of people the wrong way alot of the time. I'm not one of those people. I don't read penis, but I did give it a shot a couple times and I have no issues with you personally the way some of the other DDers do. But I think some of that, clearly, is going to carry over when you do a community project such as this one.
The reason I'm not going to let you into the next round, though, is because you're exactly right. The kind of remix you submited IS the penis style. It's the same reason I don't let spriters in; it's not a commentary on the effort they put into their work. Comic Remix is a project for artists, and I can't bring myself to describe what you did as art anymore than I could if you'd put together something with megaman sprites. Anyone with some photos of Bruce Willis and an art program with filters can produce that in roughly the same amount of time you did. What you submitted isn't even "bad art." I don't have issues with "bad art." I don't like excluding artists who aren't developed simply because they aren't developed. I know alot of people really have no inborn talent and its only through years of practice and hard work that they improve. Hell, I'm one of them. But you're never going to improve at what you submitted, because theres nothing to improve upon. It's like making a collage with pictures you cut out of a magazine.
And thats also why someone like VegaX is going to be so affronted by what you submitted. You spent an hour on yours? Well, he probably spent twelve, including three drafts and on hour mulling over how her leg looks in panel one, or some other detail that is glaringly obvious to him that you don't even notice. And the fact that he did all that work, while you filtered some photos of celebrities and pasted them together, is genuinely worrying to him, and understandably so. If I were vidibudd and put the amount of work he did into remixing purgatory tower and then came by on remix day and saw someone remixed my comic by changing the characters to photos of people he'd found online, I'd be not only dissapointed, I'd' be angry and I'd feel cheated.
I started my remix a week after we were supposed to say which comic we were doing (I'll assume I was the first to turn mine in, since it was first on the site?).
First, I sat down and I read Daphne Descends from beginning to end. Because I think reading the comic is important.
I drew out a rough draft, decided how I wanted to place my pre-written dialogue, and agonized over the fact of "should I make this as anime as I tend to draw?" XD;; I also worried over the fact that I know Daphne wasn't supposed to be cute, though I find her to be adorable in the comic personally. So finally, I just decided to go for it and hope Fern would be a good sport (I mean, after all, I do keep BFF on my recommended list. ;))
I noticed everyone got so surprised by how cute I made Daphne, no one commented on how hot I made Mr. Hansom. XDD At least… I hope I made him hot. XD I tried to go less bishie (or, pretty) and more masculine. I think it worked.
There was also some difficulty going from a strip comic to a full page manga comic. That is, strip comics can and do get away with copy and pasting from frame to frame and just changing things like expressions. It's really hard to overuse and it's totally acceptable in it's genre as far as I'm concerned. However, the style I was doing required a new angle/take on each panel. So it was a bit weird to have to take Fern's dialogue and decide "Okay should it be just Daphne in this panel? Or both of them? I know Hansom is talking here, but maybe it'd be better to show Daphne as he's talking."
Really, I don't put that much thought into my OWN comic. XDDD
Well, then I was having some economic woes and the remix got second shelved in favor of finding and pinning a job. Once I started working again, I picked it back up and inked it, then a few days later I sat down and colored it. When I colored it though, time was drawing near and I rushed it. And I've noticed a mistake in the damned thing that's making me writhe in "OMG MUST FIIIIIX."
What's the mistake? Some of you may have noticed. Look at the top right corner of the page just above Daphne's head. Someone forgot to use the fill tool. *shame* u.u
I started my remix a week after we were supposed to say which comic we were doing (I'll assume I was the first to turn mine in, since it was first on the site?).
You were the first to tell me which strip you were going to do. The first person to send me a finished comic was…idunno, either fern or darthmongoose. I got a couple, like, a day after the assignements were sent out
Oh and Marine, sometimes I think you have the kindergarten boy syndrome. That is, you piss people off, make them want to hit you and possibly at times hurt them, then expect love and attention for it. Like a small boy might harass a girl he likes in order to get her attention and make her like him.
I'll admit without shame that, yes, as soon as I saw your name in the remix, I suspected bad things. And yes, as soon as I saw your remix, I felt these fears had been confirmed.
A lot of people are saying "well as long as the original artist likes it…" but, while I'm glad he does, I'd hate to think that someone who wanted to have a properly drawn comic got you next time and you just pulled something like that.
And I know you seem to think you're actual drawn version was bad, but if you weren't satisfied with that, why didn't you try a different style? Adding more to it, like AQua_ng did on mine? Using new characters? I mean, all I did was redo Fern's comic in my own style and KoS said it was one of his favorites (which made me feel warm and fuzzy *clings to Kos*).
Whether your intentions were good or not, I don't know. Frankly, the boy's cried wolf too many times in your case.
I started my remix a week after we were supposed to say which comic we were doing (I'll assume I was the first to turn mine in, since it was first on the site?).
You were the first to tell me which strip you were going to do. The first person to send me a finished comic was…idunno, either fern or darthmongoose. I got a couple, like, a day after the assignements were sent out
Oh yeah, I knew I didn't finish mine first. XDD I just meant turning in which one I was gonna do.
Now, i initially meant to do a normal panel page but i found it troublesome since Sage of "blip" uses so many small panels. I'm used to drawing big panels with lots of detail and when i did a quick storyboard for the remix it came out as two pages. I decided id just go for the thing i love to do and that is montage pages that tell the story in a few bigger panels. Frankly i think the original Blip makes more sense and my version feels a bit confusing if read as a stand alone piece. It lacks some explaining stuff that i couldn't fit into one page.
Oh and Marine, sometimes I think you have the kindergarten boy syndrome. That is, you piss people off, make them want to hit you and possibly at times hurt them, then expect love and attention for it. Like a small boy might harass a girl he likes in order to get her attention and make her like him.
Marine is, and has always been, a compulsive lier. During the years i have been at DD he has always talked his mouth off. Even IF he actually DID spend as much time and thought on that page i wouldn't believe it. He is after attention, in whatever form it comes and i just find it so tiresome when he signs up for every community project there is and always turn in the same "edgy and funny" result. *yawn*
EDIT: ….and i just got a PM from marine where he states that: "I get the feeling that you don't like me"
The forum needs reviving! I love doing these things. The two I've done so far I knock them of in a day or less and I have great fun at it :) My own comic takes forever and gets more dull each time, but the remixes are a great break from that! All the hard work is already done, all I have to do is make my own version and I can let loose and be creative doing whatever I like. It's a whole load of FUN ^__^
Comments for 4.0! (Forum, you will live again! :) )
I was assigned to remix Magickfor this round. I'd never read that comic before, but I remembered the page from last round, because I found it especially witty in the writing and violent in story (and I like a bit of witty violence). I started looking through the comic and stopped on this flashback scene – and this page in particular. I'm pretty sure I chose it because I like to draw blood and big knives. I also had a pretty vivid image of a full body picture of Loki for the first panel.
I decided to make my remix a touch more serious in tone than the original. I liked the creepiness of the situation. (It reminded me of Practical Magic.) I chose to put it all on a black background for the sake of mood, and faded and irregular panel borders give it an eerie/surreal feel. (And I did cut a line for the sake of creepiness. ^_^; ) My favorite part of the page is the last picture. I actually had a complete background colored and ready for that panel, but in a last minute decision, I decided to crop the picture very closely around Kate, so she appears right out of the darkness with a sort of "glow" around her. I also like the facial expression and blood splatters. It was all very fun to draw, and I'm really happy with how this turned out. (I surprised myself a little.)
When I first got my remix assignments I had planned to do Red Moon in Modern Day Witchdoctor style, and Wolf in the slightly more realistic Children at Play style. I had already designed Wolf characters in MDW style for an earlier trade, and Tantz being one of my only vocal MDW fans, I didn't want it to seem like that factored into my decision (which clearly it was, only in reverse.) But I wasn't very familiar with Red Moon, so I had to read through it a couple times, once just to familiarize myself with the story and the characters, and another time with "how can I remix this" in mind. So I had a few pages picked, some I would do straight and some that I would use the script in a new and interesting way. I'd never done that before, sometimes I've run with a joke without adding further dialogue, but I'd never flat out changed something, and I kinda wanted too. I liked the idea that the "feeling something wierd" was Godzilla stepping on a person, and frankly I'd just read a bunch of dinosaur comics like a week or so before this so that factored into it I'm sure. Now, I've had the character of Mexican Godzilla kicking around in my head for years, but I've never really had a chance to run with it, or really develop it fully, so the leap from godzilla to mexican godzilla, in my brain, was a small one. Originally he was part of a storyline in Children at Play where godzilla attacked, and so we fled to Mexico, and then mexican godzilla attacked and he was the same as regular godzilla except he wore a sombrero, and so we fled back to new hampshire. It was rejected as being "funny, but too crazy." Making him more of a light-hearted cartoon character, however, just seemed to click for me. All his dialogue should be Spanish, of course, but I didn't want to break the rules of the project. Since starting this project I have even more of a background to his crazy cartoon world now, including side characters and nemisi.
That decision having been made I could no longer do Wolf in C@P style, then I wouldn't have a comic in MDW style. To me Wolf pages can be categorized in two major types "talking" pages and "action" pagegs (and I don't mean to break down Tantz's involving story so simply, but in deciding what page to do that really was a factor.) Tantz has been so awesome in the past that I wanted to do the best work that I could. Plus, now that I new I was doing it in MDW style a predominately "talking" page, to me, was no longer an option. MDW is a very slow building strip, but it was important to me to show that it *could* be action packed(to myself, if no one else,) and Wolf was a great opportuinty to do that. Unfortunately, at first, I had a lot of trouble getting the character models to work from some more dramatic angles, because I wasn't really that familiar with them. I had to draw a few panels of a different strip in MDW style to get the models down, patcilarily Zoe, before working on the strip I was planning to do. The thrid panel had a different inking style that I impliment in darker work, but very rarely, because it's time consuming, wherein I ink alot of my pencil sketch lines. The biggest issue I had was getting the flow of this comic to work properly, and I'm still no 100% happy with it. At one point I was considering breaking it into two pages. Tantz always has so much going on in one page, it's hard to manipulate the panel layout and keep everything moving along properly.
Dracco was a late entry, and helped pick up the slack for some mid-round drop outs. Rather than try to find someone to remix him, I figured I'd just do it myself. I'm always asking other people to do extra work, it's only right that I suck it up and do some myself. Like Fish in Water offers a challenge because, theres only so many ways you can draw fish, and Andy from caggage pretty much hit a home run in round one. So rather than do a poor attempt to draw the fish in my style, it wasn't a big leap to use mexican godzilla a second time, I was already kinda enamored with the character. And the TV Star strip just clicked, because it really made the whole thing seem, to me, like it wasn't a remix at all, like it was it's own strip and that Mexican Godzilla was just a fan of Like Fish in Water. Eddie and Fern's appearance was an accident really that came out of the coloring phase. I colored eddie's shirt red, and had made him a white guy, but then was like "he can't be a white guy that doesn't make any sense, this is mexican godzilla, he should be mexican." So I darkened up his skin tone and thought "That kinda looks like eddie, I should make this dude getting stomped on fern!" and i did. Really I think of the to Mexican Godzilla strips, that the Like Fish in Water came out far better.
To be honest, I've never heard of One Shot. But it was a very well done comic. I was kind of like 'WTF?' when they changed from one story to another, paying no notice to the big clue in the title. Nevertheless, I found the archives a good read.
Originally, I was looking for a page, which I could just be flippant about, similar to the thing I did for my previous remixes. But then, I kind of screwed the rules when I found out that this may be the last remix, so I wanted to do something original and unique. At first, I was going to do a live action version of a page. However, I could find any that was possible for me to do (reasons shall remain undefined in order to keep my dignity).
'Screw it, I'll just animate something, that's kind of original'.
Putrid Meat was a challenge for me- because it is so unusual in content compared to what I usually do. Pit Face already had a great feel of these two guys and their environment, and I felt a little out of the water as to what to do. I read through the comic enough to get a feel of their attitude and behavior, and then decided to make a page 'flipped', as in, told from the point of view of the one of the two characters which was not on the focus.
I had great fun with it, drawing a guy that is very comfortable in a really messy room being himself pretty messy, and I tried to see just how much I could bend a mouth's shape out of …eh, shape lol! Anyway, I tried to make it slightly funny, and switch to Puke, and I think it is at least remix material ;)
Le Farce's remix was something completely unplanned. KoS needed someone to pick up the remix, and I took it, while unbeknownst to me, the day I was planning to make the page was going to be LOADED with insane work. So I drew it today, from memory while I was listening and attending to more business, and just before I was ready to scan it, I checked for dialogue accuracy.
Le Farce's pages are really busy and have several panels. It took a little thought to have them merged into fewer panels to fit my style better and still keep the insane violence level at the same notch lol! So I had the guy straddling mr. Fergalicious and beating him to a pulp with the microphone. I also made the panels wonky, not straight as I usually make them. It was fun- stressed fun, but fun nonetheless.
If there's one thing I really liked about this project it was that I pretty much forced me to read an entire comic archieve, big or small.
Its been a while since I last ran into a comic longer than mine… and incredibly colored no less ^^;
20 Galaxies was a pleasure to read and to remix. I've always liked super power comics :D Although I was a bit disappointed to hit the lastest page of the comic. I WANNA READ MORE OF IT!!! (…@_@ need to update my comics myself..)
Anyways… For the last 3 remix's I colored the remix if it was in color… but this time I dunno… I didnt think my coloring would do the original page justice… so I stuck to my black and white style… I used gray scale markers like I did in the first two pages of Nightmares cure :3
When KOS said I got Lost Invisible, I had to laugh. Not only do I read Lost Invisible, I have for like two years. And I gave him a pretty detailed 3rd anniversary picture.
As you can see, Vaine is my favorite character. XD
Alex and I had been trading fanart for awhile, so I was a little sad that there was little I could do that he hadn't already seen from me. Selecting the page wasn't difficult either. I'm shocked he didn't know it was me from the start. The page had no one but Vaine in it besides the kitty and JerkFace McGee in the last panel (who I opted not to draw. *fumes at him*)
If there had been a page that consisted of just Cody and Vaine I totally woulda done that one.
So anyway, I picked my page and sent it and nearly immediately rough sketched my page, then did my official pencils. Then, as usual, I procrastinated.
Then, I pulled out my scanner to scan something else and realized I'd CRACKED the effin GLASS on my poor scanner. My face looked like this > DDDD:
I ordered a new one but I realized pretty quickly it wasn't going to arrive in time, so I got out the tablet and opened Flash and did it over again in Flash. ^^; Thus the lack of detail I usually do. u.u *shame* However, I think the kitty turned out cute and I got to draw Vaine. :D
I guess I'm in a similar boat to Rei; I've been a fan of my remixed comic, The Reborn, for a while now. I was pretty excited about it, but at the same time, somewhat nervous. It's the first time I ever remixed a comic I had even so much as a passing familiarity with; I don't know why that made me nervous, but I always get that way around new concepts…
I had wanted to pick a page that would make sense without really being familiar with the comic (ie, not one in the middle of a conversation haha) but would still be interesting and fun to remix. … I… guess I didn't include "pick a page that doesn't make Adrian look like a creepy stalker" in that criteria *facepalm*
So, I picked my page pretty early (for once), started in on the panelling… and then everything went wrong haha. I'm not going to go into too many of the boring tl;dr details, but I definitely got my remix in later than I'd wanted to (see: I was rushing in on the morning of the 18th).
The biggest hurdle for me, probably, (aside from, you know, getting it done on time) was making sure Angela didn't look too much like BTRN's female lead, Jennifer. I still feel like I failed at this part, sometimes; every time I look at that middle panel, I can't help but go ":/". I guess I have Takeshi Ohbata syndrome: I can only draw a few separate faces for each gender. No this is not a good thing; back to people-watching for me.
Overall, it was a really fun experience – not just the whole "drawing a comic I like" thing, but the entire Comic Remix project! *mushy mushy mushy* – and I'm really glad I got to take part :)
you coulda just tossed Cody in to the page if you wanted :P lol
I just didnt expect to have someone I know remix my comic XD;; well, I did get assigned Mastermind BTRN for the first remix… but I didnt think it'd happen again…
I only keep track of what people drew and who drew them in the previous round. The people who they drew two or three rounds prior were always tossed back into the hat, so to speak. This isn't the first time people have been paired up more than once. I drew Teenage Wasteland in round one, and Fern was assigned to MDW in round three. I'm sure there were others that I just can't recall. With sixty odd participants each round over four rounds, it's not surprising some people got matched up multiple times.
ahh, little late i guess for o comment, but what the hell.
it was hard to pick what page to do for AHAHA cuase there's just tons of variety, there's something different going on on almost every page, interesting characters, weird writing. i mean basicaly if i wanted to do something high in action i could, something about the relationship between the characters, i could, hell, if i wanted to draw a tar man with a leaky hose, it was there. but i thought the seer was awesome though and the main characters were there and i think in interpreting something well. it's good to have the main thing of the story in there… and i wanted to draw the h-bomb at the end.
and the rebound one, i just wanted to draw osama skitzin out at the end.haha.
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