…unintented erection joke. But that certainly fits in fine with the LEXX humour.
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So, these here forums are pretty dead. new users try do not get involved as they see the deadness and go elsewhere. We need to turn the tide and bring them back to life. With that in mind I think all us semi active folk should make an effort to get things moving and hope that it sparks some new life into the place.
Well said that man! get busy on these forums everyone or you'll have me - a notorious internet stalker - to answer to.
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I'm working on a new Izzy story called “Izzy and the Temple of Bad Cover Bands.” No idea yet what's going to happen.
Having a great title and no idea what's going to happen is incredibly exciting - I envy you Hippie! A world of possibilities await.
Genejoke wrote:Well you can always go to comicfury where the admin will make a huge one-sided maniplative PM where he apparently has the power to tell exactly what people (scarf and i in this case) were thinking at the time in case readers would dare try to make up their own minds. Gotta packpedal over the backlash of such a retarded ban after all. /rant
So, these here forums are pretty dead. new users try do not get involved as they see the deadness and go elsewhere. We need to turn the tide and bring them back to life. With that in mind I think all us semi active folk should make an effort to get things moving and hope that it sparks some new life into the place.
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It got to see another chicken battle! It's funny how the lowest of the pecking order are the most vicious to other animals? If they had that zest in the roost they would rein supreme in no time! But yeah we have about three wild rabbits outside who will let you get within four feet without running away. I haven't seen them in the 'chicken' backyard in a while though, they hang out with the goats all the time.
Skullbie wrote:
Genejoke wrote:
So, these here forums are pretty dead. new users try do not get involved as they see the deadness and go elsewhere. We need to turn the tide and bring them back to life. With that in mind I think all us semi active folk should make an effort to get things moving and hope that it sparks some new life into the place.
Well you can always go to comicfury where the admin will make a huge one-sided maniplative PM where he apparently has the power to tell exactly what people (scarf and i in this case) were thinking at the time in case readers would dare try to make up their own minds. Gotta packpedal over the backlash of such a retarded ban after all. /rant
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The part you didn't see when you signed up to KafkaFury:
You agree to your supposedly private messages being made public at any time, without your prior knowledge or consent, carefully edited and interspersed with an admin commentary to tell people exactly what you were thinking at the time. You will have no opportunity to defend yourself. This is purely for the purposes of portraying you as a dangerous internet stalker, should the need for damage limitation arise and does not affect your statutory rights.
Ironscarf wrote:Scary part is that all of the user terms and conditions are considered to be under Texas law. Very hard to try defamation in the USA unless you're a public figure. And since you're all overseas even harder. And unfortunately the admins of Kafkafury (love that) don't live in Texas so you can't give'em what a Texan would.The part you didn't see when you signed up to KafkaFury:You agree to your supposedly private messages being made public at any time, without your prior knowledge or consent, carefully edited and interspersed with an admin commentary to tell people exactly what you were thinking at the time. You will have no opportunity to defend yourself. This is purely for the purposes of portraying you as a dangerous internet stalker, should the need for damage limitation arise and does not affect your statutory rights.
Hey you you kyo?… BLAM! Was self-defence. Look here what he wrote 'bout me on the internet.
Shit son, he got what he deserved. Case dismissed.
A guy can dream. And I know what foreigners think of the Big, drawl speaking, gun-loving, self-righteous, independant minded American. That image fits Texans best. They pride themselves on being like that.
I have some scripts and some avatars for new comics ready. They'll be anthologies so I can put several stories under one title and maybe carry a comic year to year instead of one shot and it's over. The standalones I have now fit into the anthology categories because that's how I've been writing most of my stories since I started.
Ugh… got another nightmare I just woke up from. I dreamt that I'm at a wedding and that I'm the groom. Just as I was saying my vows with the veiled woman next to me, a man who says he's her father points a shotgun at my head, pulls the trigger… and I wake up.
The thing I hate about my dreams? Sometimes they have this huge chance to come true. O_O
I better hope this is simply some sort of subconcious fear that only surfaces in dreams though… It'd be a pretty bad thing to go out right before experiencing the happiest moments in life.
ozoneocean wrote:
Indeedy! One of the finest SciFi series ever; it went places no other SciFi series ever has :D
There were German and British production teams in there too, but it was frimly and proudly Canadian.
The milkfed boys weren't quite my type, but I might have to check it out anyways. It seems to weird not to.
Genejoke wrote:
So, these here forums are pretty dead. new users try do not get involved as they see the deadness and go elsewhere. We need to turn the tide and bring them back to life. With that in mind I think all us semi active folk should make an effort to get things moving and hope that it sparks some new life into the place.
Definitely! We seem to get some good contributions when we have quackcast threads. What if we were to have a new discussion thread once a week or so on a different topic to get the ball rolling? Just brainstorming here! And of course I'll do whatever I can to promote the forum through the newsposts, although I'm not sure how many more people are reading those. :P
ironscarf wrote:
The part you didn't see when you signed up to KafkaFury:
You agree to your supposedly private messages being made public at any time, without your prior knowledge or consent, carefully edited and interspersed with an admin commentary to tell people exactly what you were thinking at the time. You will have no opportunity to defend yourself. This is purely for the purposes of portraying you as a dangerous internet stalker, should the need for damage limitation arise and does not affect your statutory rights.
You guys need to start linking to some of these forum discussions or something! I need more comicfury gossip!
skullbie wrote:
It got to see another chicken battle! It's funny how the lowest of the pecking order are the most vicious to other animals? If they had that zest in the roost they would rein supreme in no time! But yeah we have about three wild rabbits outside who will let you get within four feet without running away. I haven't seen them in the 'chicken' backyard in a while though, they hang out with the goats all the time.
Rabbits are kind of interesting in terms of their defense…they look like they don't have anything going for them, but they're super strong. My rabbits are always throwing heavy things around with their teeth. If you pick up a bunny (that doesn't just sit in its cage all day, anyway) you can feel how muscular they are. They also apparently have really tough skin, so a predator has to give them a pretty good chomp to break it.
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I've been skyping with my dad and little sister a bit while I've been away, and I answered a couple times having painted my face just for fun. The first time I said that my cat wanted to say hi and then it was just me with a cat face, and then yesterday I did a whole bit where I was bitten by a vampire bat off screen and came in as a vampire. Now they expect me to keep doing it, though, and those were basically my only ideas…so any face paint ideas are appreciated. :P
HippieVan wrote:
Oh man, I made a typo in my last post but I'm too afraid of having to re-do all my quotes to go back and fix it. -_-
Hahaha! I hear ya!
RE LEXX- I have two copies of the whole collection on DVD. I would send you one, but postage to Canada from here is as much as buying one new. :)
Face idea: A comedy butt from a joke shop. …clown? Mad crazy clown? Kiss fan? Moustache!
As for weekly discussion threads- Great idea. You and Kawaii usually come up with popular stuff for the Newsposts, more replies to those and a Skoolmunkee post! I'm not nearly as good at that sort of thing… I suspect I kill threads. All the posts with "ozoneocean" on them are like gangrene!
Hippie Van said
You guys need to start linking to some of these forum discussions or something! I need more comicfury gossip!
There's a thread going on right here where the accusations of what I'm supposed to have done are getting wilder and wilder. They're openly saying I've admitted to downloading masses of photos of people I can't stand for some unknown sinister purpose? Where is this stuff even coming from?
I suppose this is what online bullying feels like - you would think banning someone you didn't like would be enough - how do people get to be so vindictive?
That's nothing Scarf!
Remember all those voodoo dolls you made out of them? I can't beleive you made them so anatomically correct… O_o
Then when you made them have sex with the hoodoo dolls you made earlier I lost my lunch.
Then there was that time you went BACK in time and said mean things to their great, great grandmothers! Then you went into the future and spat on each of their great grandchildren! How could you?
Gawd, you are just sooooo vindictive. So mean.
I even heard you called someone fat once.
I'm late to the Skullbie/Ironscarf ban parade. I find it insane how many typically non problem users can become problem users at Comic Fury.
That forum may be more active than DD's but with the completely wrong kind of people. Like a tumblr convention up in there with social justice regimes at the forefront. Even I want to just snap there at times and go out with a bang lol
I've dealt with some crazy communities. But the direction the staff of the forum wants it to go in is simply ridiculous. All that forum is is a forum that happens to be attached to a really good comic hosting site. When I finally get to updating again I'm going to use the hosting because it really is the best. But I won't worry about the forum participation. It blows my mind how they roll at that place. I prefer dealing with teen gamers in fighting game communities yelling at people about "sprite theft" than dealing with these super sensitive and paranoid people over at CF.
*note if you are not one of the super sensitive and paranoid people and still go to CF I am of course not referring to you :P
Oh I forgot. Here is the official reasonings given for the bans.
here you go:I can understand Skullbie's a bit. She's been driving them crazy for a good while =p Though had they been reasonable and understand why she was so upset at the forum it wouldn't have had to get to that point.
Okay, a few people PMed me who don't know what happened at all, so this i a rewritten version of a pm I sent to a few others already. Some of you asked only about one of the two members, but the bans are related so I will send everyone an explanation that includes both.
Before I say anything though, you can get their side of the story here:
https://next.theduckwebcomics.com/forum/topic/175447/?page=45#2970763
Some quotes: (there's more info on the link)I posted a comic so shocking - so depraved -so immoral, that after just one page I was made to take it down and then cast out into the nameless void to drift for all eternity. Here's a link to the abomination in question but I should warn you - you may never sleep soundly again once you've read Cosmic Furore. D:Yeah he permabanned me, i made an avatar from scarfs comic.There's a lot of context that goes into the bans, so this PM is going to be a bit longer.
Scarfs comic was so unbelievably tame lmao. I have been killed twice in
slander comics and i let them be. And my charicature was nowhere near as
adorable as scarfs. (i had a naruto headband and pimples in one, and of course very obese! fuck i wish i'd saved them)
So basically what happened was that Ironscarf made a comic about the staff, criticizing/satirizing some forum policies. That in itself is not that unusual (killersteak made some as well around the same time, e.g.), but what he did do is actually go and look for pictures of each of the staff members to base the characters on. Neither I nor MatthewJA are very "open" with our pictures, so it's not just a matter of him happening to have seen them on the last page of pictures of you. I haven't posted a picture in over a year, and afaik matt has never directly posted one. Don't quote me on that, though.
That alone made us quite uncomfortable already (two out of 3 mods have been stalked by someone on the forum previously, to the point where matt's parents found out and seriously locked down his internet usage), but Arden/Ironscarf had raised some red flags in the past as well, which made us actually decide to give him a permaban.
[What follows is the part I already sent to people. Apologies for the shift in tone, from this point on, I was talking to someone who already knew a bit about the bans, and was worried they were unjustified]
Arden has harassed Mary in the past. Let me find the PM she got:In 5 years I'll still be here - if you still are I make this promise: if cisgender has entered the common vernacular. I'll give you ten quid (English Pounds)- fair deal?A similar one was sent to pineapple as well:I'll give you ten quid (English Pounds) if that term has entered the common vernacular in five years time. It's a promise - you lose nothing if it doesn't.
Now - you claim to be a proffesional writer: can you prove it?
he sent that PM unwarranted - there was no prior communication via PM. If I remember correctly there was an argument a few days before about the phrase - nothing anyone got infracted over. But arden did know fishy to the point where he knew this would upset her. It doesn't really matter where you stand on this issue (I also don't believe it'll enter common vernacular, FWIW), but arden sent that PM with one purpose only, which is to upset fishy. In the thread this would have been okay, because fishy chose to participate by it. (Though the thing about being a professional writer is still just flame baiting, no matter how you look at it)
In any case, fishy posted this and I concluded that this was not banworthy. Arden was sent a friendly PM telling him not to harass people. He challenged it saying he was doing no such thing. Then he sent a pretty "out there" rant about how pineapple is part of some sort of PC conspiracy infiltrating CF.Apologies for that post Matthew - I was shocked by your message and wasn't sure what was going on, but now I know. Turns out I'm the latest in a very long line of victims of the one who calls herself Pineapple.Matt responds:
I've been doing a little digging: apparently she's a well known internet crazy person and all the claims she's made here about being a writer and having a poor, deprived and even abusive family background etc etc, are all false. It makes very interesting reading! When I asked her to substantiate her claim of being a pro writer (the "insult" you're referring to) she went ballistic and it's easy to see why: I was a little too close to home, without realising it.
From what I've read, it's quite likely that she will now devote herself to getting me banned from the forum so I'm going to mention this to Kyo also. As for Fishy, I've always been very fond of her as last years valentine demonstrates:
As far as I was concerned we were having a good humoured exchange about a particular term and I only PMd it because people were complaining about thread derailing. But if she's accusing me of harrasment, she's off my valentine list and my offer of ten English pounds is hereby withdrawn!For starters, there were two different reports, so this is not just about Pineapple, but anyway.Arden comes back with more stuff that I can only politely refer to as "pretty far fetched"
That's quite the claim you make there. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, so you might want to cite some sources.
If you're actually concerned about people trying to get rid of you, I'm reasonably sure all of the moderators attempt to be as unbiased as possible, so I doubt any campaign to get rid of you would succeed without your help.
The problem in your exchange with Fishy is that she feels you have harassed her in the past by PM, so context is important - what may seem good humoured to you might not be to someone else, that's all.For evidence this is a good starting place. Obviously this is a person with an axe to grind, but the links would set you off in the right direction - I don't expect you to bother with this of course, especially since she's deleted large sections of her internet history, but waybackmachine is quite useful. I've yet to meet a poor person who drinks $20 tea - I'm British and I never heard of $20 tea.
Every claim she makes is contradicted elsewhere by another of her own posts anyway, so whatever she is, she can't be all of those things. I checked with another long standing member who seemed to be under the impression she's black and from Brazil or Puerto Rico. I did not prompt that, but was also previously under the same impression. A middle class white person pretending to be a poor black person is pretty disgusting to me.
I'm surprised by what else you've told me. We've known each other for years and we've exchanged several PMs, but by your tone you must feel the same way. I'm saddened by that and so I've decided to remove myself from the forum: it seems the best thing to do since the pair of you now seem to be the chief mods and I don't want to hang around where I'm not welcome. Best of luck to you.Sorry, I forgot the link. As I said, an axe to grind, but everything leads from here - not really worth wasting your time with but it's all out there.So first of all, he says it was all in good fun. I personally don't believe that, you are free to make your own call about this, you have all the information. Keep in mind though that it was arden contacting pineapple, not the other way around.
But let's not get hung up on something that this was not about.
His comic - well yeah the comic itself was pretty harmless, and you can see that killersteak has multiple comics about the moderation still up [Edit from future kyo: He took them down now, but we neither made nor asked him to do so.], so obviously it's not just that we said "how dare someone criticize us" and swung the banhammer. What earned arden his ban is that for each and every one of us, he went out of his way to actually find a picture we posted somewhere (according to him, he had all of them on his harddrive for years) and use that as a reference. That makes me highly uncomfortable, because it's giving me stalky vibes, and while killersteaks comics annoy me, ardens comics frighten me a bit. Especially knowing he's already done extensive "research" on another person on the forum whom he did not like.
[Note about the comic: Arden continued the comic on DrunkDuck, and even added another page there. It seems he's taken it down now, so unfortunately I can't link to it for reference. For what it's worth, all you really need to know to hear our side of the story is that it had our likenesses in it.]
Skullbie:
Skullbie got banned for changing her avatar. In the most simplest terms, yes. But also, it's obviously a bit more complicated than that, because you were sporting the same avatar and did not get banned. [This was a PM to AJHunter originally, who changed his avatar to the same avatar skullbie got banned for after hearing about the bans. This whole conversation started when I asked him to change it. I'm leaving this part in mostly to show that it's not just "do something that pisses off a mod, get banned immediately"]
Since you are a longstanding member of the community, you surely have noticed that skullbie has also had a bone to pick with the moderation on this site for over a year now, criticizing us openly and often, in harsh terms. So obviously she did not get banned just because she disagrees with the mods (because her disagreeing is something that has been ongoing for ages - that should speak for our track record of banning people who disagree)
What's been happening is that for a while now, skullbie has been continuously testing the staff's limits, seeing how far she can go without getting banned. Daring us, if you will. Now that's a purely subjective thing to say, but I think I can back this up with actual facts that should show you that no matter how you look at it, skullbie was deliberately trying to push the boundaries.
Most recent examples are;
So right here. I'm not going to get into the actual thing the thread was about - but she did edit her post to say this:EDIT: JOIN WEBCOMIC UNDERDOGS!Which to me, the way I interpret that is as a huge "fuck you". I don't like the way you run your forums, so I'm going to advertise another one. That's passive aggressive as heck.
I PMed her reminding her that it was inappropriate to passive aggressively advertise sites in threads unrelated to that, but I did not ban her. She gave me some sarcastic response and changed her signature to the one you see now (a banner for the other webcomic community, coupled with the nice phrase "life rafts available",). Another fuck you to me, but also not banworthy. She then proceeded to bump a thread advertising webcomic underdogs.
Also, as you may know we have a rule that disallows joke spoilers. Skullbie broke this rule at several points, I sent her a PM with just a friendly reminder (I can find it if you want, but I'll bank on the fact that you believe it was just something like 'blah blah blah please don't use joke spoilers, thanks!') - She responded something kind of sassy to that PM I do not remember and made another post containing a joke spoiler the same day.
Again, not a big thing, so no ban. later a similar incident happens again. (I edited out a spoiler tag, and she edited her post). Very small things, obviously not banworthy, but she was breaking rules, intentionally, directly after being told not to break that rule.
In this thread, she literally calls me "sad" ("the thought of you literally refreshing the forums like some all seeing eye to find humor you don't find funny/comprehend and edit it out is just sad ") - Completely inappropriate but all I did was post the response you see in that thread.
She's been really good at deliberately trying to rile us/me up, walking the line. And at some point, you just gotta say, well this is the fifth millionth small thing you did, and I can either just keep letting you get away with it, or put an end to it.
She changed her avatar to that immediately after she heard it upset me to the point of banning arden. That coupled with her sig and behaviour tells me that she has no interest whatsoever in staying in this community.
I told arden his comic made me uncomfortable because it had our pictures, before I banned him. I don't know if she knows that, but she definitely knew the comic upset me and changed her avatar to rile me up.
And the behaviour continues. She's already said she intends to come back to troll:I'll probably pop back there for antics because i think kyo likes the idea of getting rid of all the people who point out his fallacys a little too much. And, you know, its me.
But IronScarf's ban was absurd. Ironscarf, if I ever find out you have been collecting pictures of me I'll hunt you down and end you! Wait wait! Of course you're collecting pics of me. Who wouldn't? I'm sorry I was so hard on you just then. I know it's hard to not collect photos of perfection.
Hah! Thanks for that guys! JustNoPoint - this thing is so full of untruths and ommisions I can totally see why anyone would accept it at face value. I don't know if he's deliberatly lying or actually believes the untrue bits, but it doesn't really matter when you're conducting a campaign of character assasination by PM - never had any beef with OnlyFoolsAndVikings but she's practically accusing me of sex crimes on there!
Can't stop now, but I'll fill in the missing parts later, when I've got the kids to bed. (In a totally non sex crime related way, I hasten to add).
I could only make my way through half of that. Sounds very dramatastic and dull.
Lots of stuff put into wierd contexts though, and completely misinterpreted…
I really don't want to get involved in this, even inderectly and I don't think any of the rest of us should either, I hate it when internet drama spreads out far and wide.
BUT, a possibple explanation for this; Kyo isn't a bad guy, he's pretty decent- the way he's taking things in the wrong way though makes me think of arguments I've gotten into with good friends who don't share exactly the same cultural background. It's similar but different enough that misunderstandings arise and cause offense because you understand provocations and problems differently.
My good freind Bianka is like that, she's German too like Kyo. We fight all the time about simple misunderstandings.
Co admin at Mugen Guild named Valodim is german too. I talk to several other germans on MFG. I know he's a nice guy, but he's too nice. He doesn't understand how this "toxic" niceness that's spreading on his forum is killing it.
I wouldn't mind if it was just the way he is. But he actively encourages users to react to "triggers" and ultra minority defense and etc
Wanting everyone to have the same views on a forum to the degree he enforces is just wrong. He's not a bad guy. He's just really really misguided
ozoneocean wrote:I've had a similar misunderstanding with my next door neighbor who also happens to be German. And stubborn and prone to making value judgements based on mistaken preconceptions and even banning people from her life. And that is without the filter of typed words on a screen that totally distorts anything and everything.
I've gotten into with good friends who don't share exactly the same cultural background. It's similar but different enough that misunderstandings arise and cause offense because you understand provocations and problems differently.
My good freind Bianka is like that, she's German too like Kyo. We fight all the time about simple misunderstandings.
Everyone needs to step back, take a breath and realize that what they THINK might not be an accurate representation of reasoning behind another's actions. And that sometimes people get pissed off and they have every right to be pissed off and you just leave thme to stew until they become human again. Doesn't hurt to be nice and not snarky and self-righteous. And some here seem to have difficulty being anything but snarky and self-righteous. people are people and you can't change them. Just asy certain behavior is not acceptable and move on. Set easily recognized boundries and stick to them. Don't obsess over this wrong or that wrong.
CF needs a psychologist or clinical social worker to get them all together in a room and have a good group session. Sometimes I think forums should seek out moderators with backgrounds in clinical psychology and human relationships rather than anything else.
Ironscarf wrote:This, ugh, i love how he pretends all his PMs to me were totally nice and on nuetral ground, bunch of bs. Note how he didn't include them (not that he wouldn't edit the fuck out of them like ironscarfs at this point)
Hah! Thanks for that guys! JustNoPoint - this thing is so full of untruths and ommisions I can totally see why anyone would accept it at face value. I don't know if he's deliberatly lying or actually believes the untrue bits, but it doesn't really matter when you're conducting a campaign of character assasination by PM - never had any beef with OnlyFoolsAndVikings but she's practically accusing me of sex crimes on there!
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But yeah have to agree i don't want any of DD involved anymore, will try not to post anything outside of pq, though i do want scarf to post his side because they are trying to manipulate others to paint him as a stalker through out of context and warped situations. (though honestly i think all the people who wouldn't believe any of this left cf long ago because the mods driving them away)
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I'm trying to make my room look pretty. I've got an awsome idea for a 'closet' since my dresser went capute. This is what im thinking of doing:
Only downside is it's going to cost way more than I thought. >_< Probably about 80$ for all the baskets, shelves, and braces. Oh well it will look super pretty when i get all my nicknacks on it.
Agreed, this needs to go away - I just felt I had to stand up for myself somewhere in the webcomic community with all these allegations, or I wouldn't be able to show my face on the web and obviously, I can't defend myself over there.
I'm preparing a PQ that fills in the missing parts of the above post - drop me a line if you want to read it.
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In happier news, the geese in the moat had 5 little baby gooses! I'll try to get some pics of the little fluffballs tomorrow. :)
Webcomic communities going off the edge of insanity…. I think I'll stay clear of that. I only lurked on those other forums, only occasionally taking part in discussion. But I gravitated back here.
Now if only my niece would be quiet and not try to pressure me into getting the Pokemon texture pack for Minecraft….
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