Thread "DO NOT SUPPORT "iZOMBIE"!!!" in forum "Comic Talk and General Discussion *"

Posted at 2:04PM, Apr. 1, 2015

You'd be dumbing down the plot of Chevalier if you described it that way to.

Posted at 4:04PM, Apr. 1, 2015

Gunwallace wrote:
You'd be dumbing down the plot of Chevalier if you described it that way to.

Nope. Pretty much just about saving a princess. LOL! ;)

Dee

Posted at 5:04PM, Apr. 1, 2015

TheDeeMan wrote:
Gunwallace wrote:
You'd be dumbing down the plot of Chevalier if you described it that way to.

Nope. Pretty much just about saving a princess. LOL! ;)

Dee

Okay then. That's kind of the point I'm trying to make. As a general concept that has been done. That doesn't mean Chevalier isn't an original story. The characters, subplots, art, poetic style, all make the story unique.
If you put aside "zombie working in a morgue solving crime" how similar is iZombie the TV show to the White Trash Zombie books?

Posted at 6:04PM, Apr. 1, 2015

Again I take you back to what should be the
point and that's that by doing "zombie working at a morgue solving
crime" you're not actually doing "iZombie". Mind you that
nothing-nothing-nothing from "iZombie" survived in the translation not
even her name. So how confident in the acquired property could Rob
Thomas be if he scrubbed it clean of what it was to turn it into what it
is? And I'll guarantee you that Thomas met with a butt load of lawyers
about this before he did it because what he did seems pretty blatant, at
least to me. What I wonder is if he tried to acquire "white trash
zombie" first and got shot down and just decided to do his thing with a
comic with a trendier title ("iZombie") but a less tv friendly plot ("iZombie") and
"adapt" it from a more tv friendly plot ("White trash zombie"). I'd LOVE to know the timeline on how "iZombie" made it's way
to tv.

Dee

Posted at 6:04PM, Apr. 1, 2015

Sure, but all of these are unknowns. There's a big assuption being waved around on the web that the writer of iZombie the TV series ripped off someone else's work.
Also, it is very common for an adaptation of a book or story to differ wildly from the source material. For example, just to take one of my childhood faves, I, Robot . The I, Robot movie was as different from the stories as I am from Will Smith. The title was what they wanted. I is a cool title. I'm guessing that's what they wanted here as well.
And just because …
I, Robot
iRobot
iZombie
I, Zombie?

Posted at 8:04PM, Apr. 1, 2015

Gunwallace wrote:
Sure, but all of these are unknowns. There's a big assuption being waved around on the web that the writer of iZombie the TV series ripped off someone else's work.
Also, it is very common for an adaptation of a book or story to differ wildly from the source material. For example, just to take one of my childhood faves, I, Robot . The I, Robot movie was as different from the stories as I am from Will Smith. The title was what they wanted. I is a cool title. I'm guessing that's what they wanted here as well.
And just because …
I, Robot
iRobot
iZombie
I, Zombie?

The movie is different from the story I, Robot, but the theme of can a robot be alive is the same. There's a difference between taking the theme of a short story and broadening and expanding on that theme to make it into a movie and scrubbing a story clean of all of it's esssential elements except for it's title and doing whatever the hell you want with it and still calling it by it's name. The people who should be most pissed off by the whole iZombie/White trash Zombie thing are the creators of the original iZombie. I'd be like WTF?! Was my comic not good enough for you? But then again they're the ones who got paid and that's reason enough to say nothing and support whatever is done with their comic. Money is great tonic for what ails your conscience. Especially since Allred does artwork for his "uncomic" tv show.
Dee

Posted at 11:04PM, Apr. 1, 2015

The problem with the case here is that the concepts are very generic as has been stated repeatedly so I see nothing to get worked up about. If I was the author and i felt I had been ripped off I would take action, but i would also be very uncertain of my chances of success. I guess that is where lawyers come in.

Posted at 7:04AM, Apr. 2, 2015

There were at two differnt stories/tales withthe title I, Robot. Everyone knows Isaac Asimov but before him there was Earl and Otto Binder which was made into a Outer Limits episode. But Asimov has acknowledged the influence and actually was against his publisher naming the series I, Robot. But no copyright was infringed because the author acknowedged the influence.

But all the series/stories are very different. The recent movie in my opinion had more to do with Eando Binder's story than Isaac Asimov.

You know it's not hard to just buy the rights of something with a similar title or acknowledge the inlfuence. Inglorious Bastards and Inglourious Basterds, Django and Django: Unchained are two examples.

Posted at 2:04PM, Apr. 2, 2015

bravo1102 wrote:
There were at two differnt stories/tales withthe title I, Robot. Everyone knows Isaac Asimov but before him there was Earl and Otto Binder which was made into a Outer Limits episode. But Asimov has acknowledged the influence and actually was against his publisher naming the series I, Robot. But no copyright was infringed because the author acknowedged the influence.

But all the series/stories are very different. The recent movie in my opinion had more to do with Eando Binder's story than Isaac Asimov.

You know it's not hard to just buy the rights of something with a similar title or acknowledge the inlfuence. Inglorious Bastards and Inglourious Basterds, Django and Django: Unchained are two examples.

Yeah, but Django/Inglorious Bastards have nothing to do with the similarly titled Tarantino movies except that they are similarly titled. Oh yeah, and Tarantino's habit of winking and nodding to movies he liked when he was working in the video store back in the days to show how cool he is. We get it Quintin, you're cool. If this was a case of iZombie vs I, Zombie I don't think this would even be an issue. Unless, of course, the Diana Rowland book was titled "iZombie" and the comic the tv show is based on was titled "I, Zombie" then I think folks would start chattering about that.

Rob Thomas should have just used the "iZombie" plotline. In the wake of Buffy/Angel on the CW, and with all the witches, vampires, zombies, and werewolves there no, "iZombies" original plot (which sounds fun) would fit right in. But he didn't even give it a chance.

Dee

Posted at 9:04PM, Apr. 2, 2015

I have an original pulp with an IRobot Adam Link story by Eando Binder :D

Posted at 6:04AM, Apr. 5, 2015

Not really related, but since adaptions got mentioned, I find it interesting how far you can drift from the source material and still call it the same story! I recently watched the movie 'Wanted', and while it had its good points, I was overall disappointed… Then I read that it's based on a Graphic Novel, and many people said the graphic novel was very, very different (and most said much better), so I bought and read it…
.
They were right about the about the vast differences. Movie is secret MIB type organization that specialized in assassinations… Novel is Super-powered villains secretly rule the world…
.
Aside: The movie was just disappointing. Graphic Novel was the worst of its type I ever read!! (just my personal view of course)

Posted at 3:04AM, Apr. 6, 2015

KimLuster wrote:
Not really related, but since adaptions got mentioned, I find it interesting how far you can drift from the source material and still call it the same story! I recently watched the movie 'Wanted', and while it had its good points, I was overall disappointed… Then I read that it's based on a Graphic Novel, and many people said the graphic novel was very, very different (and most said much better), so I bought and read it…
.
They were right about the about the vast differences. Movie is secret MIB type organization that specialized in assassinations… Novel is Super-powered villains secretly rule the world…
.
Aside: The movie was just disappointing. Graphic Novel was the worst of its type I ever read!! (just my personal view of course)

Then don't ever read the books "Jaws" or "Forest Gump". If you've seen the movies you won't enjoy the books because the movies are way better and an improvement.

Dee

Posted at 7:04PM, Apr. 7, 2015

I already don't support anything with a lowercase "i" at the beginning of its title, and I'm well on my way to not supporting things with zombies in them.

Posted at 4:04PM, Apr. 14, 2015

Hawk wrote:
I already don't support anything with a lowercase “i” at the beginning
of its title, and I'm well on my way to not supporting things with
zombies in them.

I didn't realize I felt this way until reading your post. Hear, hear! XD

Posted at 11:04AM, Apr. 15, 2015

the iProduct thing annoys me. zombies don't, although they are ovr exposed, like kim kardashians arse. aka kanye west.
but izombie isn't a bad little show, it just seems a few years late. would have fit rigjht in around the time scott pilgrimm was all the rage.

Posted at 7:04AM, Apr. 16, 2015

I've never supported anything with "i" in the title OR zombies.
Well, I liked Zombieland, but zombies aren't a big part of that.

The whole zombie craze left me cold. I understood why people liked it and I understood the symbolisim in there too and why people REALLY liked it, but I could never get into it.
I just hate that genre.

Posted at 5:04PM, Apr. 16, 2015

I liked Zombieland, too. But after that I was like, "You know, I'm kind of getting done with zombies at this point."

Posted at 7:04PM, Apr. 17, 2015

I did like the seemingly short lived trend of the fast moving, rabid zombies like in the "Dawn of the Dead" remake and "28 Days Later". But now it seems to have gone back to the slow lumbering zombies like on "Walking Dead".

I'm not nearly as fed up with zombies as I am of vampires. How played out can you get? And if I never see another vampire romance show I can live a happy life. Vampires having sex with humans is about the equivilant on humans having sex with cows. We're food to them.

Dee

Posted at 9:04PM, Apr. 17, 2015

I don't agree with that. That approach looks at vampires as another soecies, but traditionally they aren't at all- they're just humans with something wrong with them, be it magical or physical. They're only "inhuman" from a very narrow christian religious point of view, which is part of a story element in particular tales. Even if you look at them as fully demonic entiies, they're still mostly human.

In fact they NEED to retain their amorous atraction to other humans in order to ensure the continuation of their trait, so romances are inevitable- they can only perpetuate by biting people they like enough to make into more vampires. And they die off so easily they need to keep doing that. XD

I think the "we are food to them" idea spread from a sort of Ayn Rand kind of idea of vampires… (I'm not entirely serious and I'm not a fan of vampire romance).

Zombies… Well, the magical old style were fun, the mind controlled slave sort were ok, the viral animated corpse sort are too anoying.

Posted at 3:04AM, Apr. 18, 2015

ozoneocean wrote:
I think the "we are food to them" idea spread from a sort of Ayn Rand kind of idea of vampires… (I'm not entirely serious and I'm not a fan of vampire romance).

While Ayn Rand was a capitalist blood-sucker of the highest order, could it be you meant Anne Rice?

Posted at 3:04AM, Apr. 18, 2015

No, I meant Aynn.
I meant her classist view: people are cattle for the elite to lord over.

Posted at 9:04AM, Apr. 19, 2015

I yearn for the old zombie movies of the 1930's and 40's, the somnubalist like the Cabinet of Dr. Caligari or the island terror of I walked with a Zombie. People forget that Night of the Living Dead was a take off on the first film version of I am Legend with Vincent Price Last Man on Earth. Watch the original Charleton Heston Omega Man and it is a virus that creates the shambling zombie/vampires.

The cannibalistic zombie is more like a version of the traditional vampire than anything else. Many legends speak of vampires being cannibals not just sucking blood, exactly like the modern risen dead "zombie" There is an interesting exploitation movie that ties African "voodoo" religion with undead zombies as vampires all together with sex, torture, nudity and blood. Night of the Sorcerers.

One can really have fun playing around with it like 28 Days Later or Interstellar Bloodbeasts but most just go for endless re-tellings of the original Night of the Living Dead. Usually adding bits of the virus from space angle like Andromada Strain. Dullsville 1970's shtick with 1990's angst. All I can stand is the total outrageous camp of Rape Zombie or Zombie Hunter Rika and a few others.

I have several scripts in the works about variuos parts of the whole zombie trope so I've studied the genre trying to find something worthwhile in it.

Posted at 10:04AM, Apr. 19, 2015

ozoneocean wrote:

In fact they NEED to retain their amorous atraction to other humans in order to ensure the continuation of their trait, so romances are inevitable- they can only perpetuate by biting people they like enough to make into more vampires. And they die off so easily they need to keep doing that. XD

Even good ol' Dracula was pretty sexy what with his harem of vampire ladies and sneaking into young ladies' rooms in the middle of the night.

Posted at 7:04PM, Apr. 20, 2015

ozoneocean wrote:
I don't agree with that. That approach looks at vampires as another soecies, but traditionally they aren't at all- they're just humans with something wrong with them, be it magical or physical. They're only "inhuman" from a very narrow christian religious point of view, which is part of a story element in particular tales. Even if you look at them as fully demonic entiies, they're still mostly human.

In fact they NEED to retain their amorous atraction to other humans in order to ensure the continuation of their trait, so romances are inevitable- they can only perpetuate by biting people they like enough to make into more vampires. And they die off so easily they need to keep doing that. XD

I think the "we are food to them" idea spread from a sort of Ayn Rand kind of idea of vampires… (I'm not entirely serious and I'm not a fan of vampire romance).

Zombies… Well, the magical old style were fun, the mind controlled slave sort were ok, the viral animated corpse sort are too anoying.

There's a difference in being attractive as a means to an end like attracting a victim into your clutches and having a romance with a human like Sookie and Bill (?) from True Blood or that Twilight nonsense. And that's what I'm talking about. A vampire having a "relationship" with a human is like a human having a "relationship" with a cow. Like the cow we're food to them.

Dee