i say why waist yer money on therapy. just deal with it and dont let it get to you go on with yer life like you hear nothing<:
1) This thread is old enough that he's probably doing something about it by now.
2) That's the fucking stupidest idea ever. Shut up now.
3) Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Yeah you BETTER listen to Custard Trout.
You should go to a psychiatrist since they're qualified to know what is normal and what isnt normal. And dont you dare give me that bs about psychiatrists inventing mental illnesses. That is a sign that you are indeed insane. That is a sign that you have psychiatrisaphobic schizophrenia (I bet you couldnt even pronounce that!!! hahaha!!!).
You better ask for meds ASAP!
Also, make sure that the kind of meds you take has mercury. Mercury is good for you. Mercury is known to cure the voices you hear in your head.
Yeah… The fuck is wrong with you!!! You psychiatrist hating reptoid believing politically incorrect CONSPIRACY THEORIST!!!
Go hide in your bunker with Tom Cruise you crazy scientologist!!!
When I hear voices, be they random or replying, I "interview" them. Granted…things I see and hear are not considered normal by most people. Unlike the statement of being in denial, I am not mentally unhealthy nor do I have any kind of mental instability. I've had "psychics" and "regular" people with me who have all said they say a "something" when I was witnessing an event. But then, if you don't see and hear the things I do, I'm not surprised some ignorant people would call me a liar or unbalanced.
As for the white noise theory, that's not necessarily untrue. A signal that is "white" in the frequency domain must have certain important statistical properties in time. For example, it must have zero autocorrelation with itself over time, except at zero timeshift. Conversely, if the autocorrelation of a signal has those properties (zero except at zero timeshift), the signal is white. Being uncorrelated in time does not however restrict the values a signal can take. Any distribution of values is possible (although it must have zero DC component). For example, a binary signal which can only take on the values 1 or 0 will be white if the sequence of zeros and ones is statistically uncorrelated. Noise having a continuous distribution, such as a normal distribution, can of course be white.
It is often incorrectly assumed that Gaussian noise is necessarily white noise. However, neither property implies the other. Thus, the two words "Gaussian" and "white" are often both specified in mathematical models of systems. Gaussian white noise is a good approximation of many real-world situations and generates mathematically tractable models.
The thing is, like stated, humans have a tendency to do what is called "matrixing". Basically, it's your mind making something coherent out of chaos. Your mind will reflect back to what it knows and create these things. To make this familiar, this is like when you look at clouds and think, "Hey, that looks like an elephant!"
Hmm, yes. I tend to think the sorts of views expressed by Cartoonprofessor are as a result of the over-medication of what are basically mental hypochondriacs. So people see other people taking lots of medication when they don't really need it and the side effects of the powerful psychotropics they take actually doing worse things to them than the exaggerated or imagined problems that they took them for in the first place.
——– But it's not all clear cut and black and white. -Although there are medication fads and people thinking they're a bit crazy when they aren't, there are and have ALWAYS been people with REAL problems. Problems that if not treated can get worse and substantially reduce someone's quality of life and those around them.
So it's important NOT to make blanket statements about medication being bad and all psychiatrics being silly, or whatever from the healthy scepticism takes. ;)
…We don't want people harming themselves or ending up in institutions if it can be avoided.
The point I was trying to make is that if these 'voices' are not causing harm, let them be… the risk is very high of getting so-called 'professional' help and being mis-diagnosed and put on dangerous drugs that ALWAYS have side-effects, or diagnosed and unnecessarily put on the same drugs because your 'doctor' wants a new tv set (yes, the drug companies do 'reward' specialists who prescribe their brand)
The 'white noise' idea is very interesting…
The thing is, like stated, humans have a tendency to do what is called "matrixing". Basically, it's your mind making something coherent out of chaos. Your mind will reflect back to what it knows and create these things. To make this familiar, this is like when you look at clouds and think, "Hey, that looks like an elephant!"
So, it's perfectly normal to have voices telling you to burn things, so long as you don't?
And yeah, it is actually normal to have voices telling you to do things… they are called ideas and are a process of thinking.
Has anyone ever made you so angry you have thought of hurting them, even if only very breifly? Did you act on that? I hope not…
It is true that some people are not producing a certain chemical in their brains, or a chemical in their diet is causing a breakdown in communication with their thoughts and their own 'moral compass' (This is why Apartame is illegal in many countries… it causes massive chemical confusion in the brain. If you are an airline pilot and you are caught with it in your system you can lose your job!). Sometimes drugs can help this, but often simple diet change or mineral supplements can do the same thing without the side effects.
i say why waist yer money on therapy. just deal with it and dont let it get to you go on with yer life like you hear nothing<:
1) This thread is old enough that he's probably doing something about it by now.
2) That's the fucking stupidest idea ever. Shut up now.
3) Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Yeah you BETTER listen to Custard Trout.
You should go to a psychiatrist since they're qualified to know what is normal and what isnt normal. And dont you dare give me that bs about psychiatrists inventing mental illnesses. That is a sign that you are indeed insane. That is a sign that you have psychiatrisaphobic schizophrenia (I bet you couldnt even pronounce that!!! hahaha!!!).
You better ask for meds ASAP!
Also, make sure that the kind of meds you take has mercury. Mercury is good for you. Mercury is known to cure the voices you hear in your head.
Yeah… The fuck is wrong with you!!! You psychiatrist hating reptoid believing politically incorrect CONSPIRACY THEORIST!!!
Go hide in your bunker with Tom Cruise you crazy scientologist!!!
Hey bud you gots you some anger issues. You should see a psychiatrist about that, just fyi.
There are other possibilities besides the idea that you have a mental disorder. It can also be a form of epilepsy (neurons misfiring) or other physical causes. I heard a story on NPR about a woman who had a form of epilepsy that caused her to hear marching band tunes ALL THE TIME. I believe they were able to treat her and now it only happens intermittently.
Also, if you want to see the type of things the brain can do to someone, rent "A Beautiful Mind" and you'll see how far delusions can go in otherwise perfectly healthy individuals.
Kyupol is wrong. That's all there is to that. There are rational reasons for everything in this world, though we don't know what all of them are yet. People who ascribe paranormal are really just afraid to say that we haven't figured them out yet.
Hearing voices have many causes, and jumping to a paranormal conclusion is easy … but there have been some huge advancements in the scientific study of this affliction that have better, more rational explanations. I highly recommend the works of V.S. Ramachandran
No paranormal theory has ever been proven in the history of the world, which although not an ironclad argument (can't prove a negative and all that) it certainly carries the preponderance of evidence that paranormal is just another word for "wild imagination."
Kyupol, your advice in this case is harmful and unhelpful to people with real problems. I do wish you would exercise more caution before making wild speculations. I do appreciate that you advised him to search for a rational explanation first, but that's where your advice should have stopped.
Unlike the statement of being in denial, I am not mentally unhealthy nor do I have any kind of mental instability.
Congratulations, you just proved that you're in denial. ;) Though of course that can be a circular argument. ;) If you say you're sane but have the symptoms of insanity… that means you have mental health probelms and need help from a health care professional, not a psychic.
If I have pneumonia am I going to go to a shaman or to a medical doctor? Time we realized that mental health is just as much a concern as physical health and is often caused by readily recognizable physical problems not a supernatural connection and New Age mumbo-jumbo. (tongue in cheek there I recognize that there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamed of in that philosphy, though please seek some medical attention to rule out physical problems, with my multiple concussion syndrome I experience many of the same phenomena)
People believe weird things that have no basis in logic and can even be readily disproven. Of course that is no reason not to base a world view on that belief even for mentally healthy people. (tongue in cheek, nod and a wink) ;)
Was the band music a form of tinnitus? I know it can take on the form of music because of that pattern making hard-wiring in our heads.
Hearing voices is known as "Auditory Hallucination"
Now Wiki is not the best source for things, but it's convenient and it's generally not toooo bad. this is what it says on the subject within the larger entry on Hallucinations in general:
Auditory hallucinations, particularly of one or more talking voices, are particularly associated with psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia, and hold special significance in diagnosing these conditions, although many people not suffering from diagnosable mental illness may sometimes hear voices as well.[4] The Hearing Voices Movement is a support and advocacy group for people who hallucinate voices, but do not otherwise show signs of mental illness or impairment. Other types of auditory hallucinations include musical hallucinations, where people will hear music playing in their mind, usually songs they are familiar with. One reason this can be caused is by lesions on the brain stem, occurring most often from strokes, but also tumors, encephalitis, or abscesses.[5] Other reasons include hearing loss and epileptic activity. Recent reports have also mentioned that it is also possible to get musical hallucinations from listening to music for long periods of time
As this reality isnt everything there is. I'm convinced of that and its not a theory to me but a FACT. Yes. There are other dimensions. Our eyes only see a certain frequency and you cannot really see the other frequencies unless you awaken your other senses. All humans have em (what you call psychic abilities). What your five senses grasp is not all there is.
The point I was trying to make is that if these 'voices' are not causing harm, let them be… the risk is very high of getting so-called 'professional' help and being mis-diagnosed and put on dangerous drugs that ALWAYS have side-effects, or diagnosed and unnecessarily put on the same drugs because your 'doctor' wants a new tv set (yes, the drug companies do 'reward' specialists who prescribe their brand)
The risks of him being mentally ill and in need of help are also very high.
By the way, hearing voices is not the same as thinking.
Unlike the statement of being in denial, I am not mentally unhealthy nor do I have any kind of mental instability.
Congratulations, you just proved that you're in denial. ;) Though of course that can be a circular argument. ;) If you say you're sane but have the symptoms of insanity… that means you have mental health probelms and need help from a health care professional, not a psychic.
Congratulations, you just proved you're closed minded. Considering I don't go visiting psychics, as I have met only one, perhaps two, real psychics, that's not a valid argument.
If I have pneumonia am I going to go to a shaman or to a medical doctor? Time we realized that mental health is just as much a concern as physical health and is often caused by readily recognizable physical problems not a supernatural connection and New Age mumbo-jumbo.
Except for all the times "current medical" treatments don't work and someone is suggested to find alternative methods by recently trained individuals.
Most of the time mental health professionals are so quick to jump around screaming, "EVERYONE needs therapy!" Well, that's only true for that person, not for everyone. Not all people need therapy. I rarely cry, even in the face of huge devastation. Some people have called me cold and an asshole. I've had everyone from a psychologist to a psychiatrist tell me I have a very healthy mental state and attitude.
In addition, I've had more than one doctor and optometrist tell me my eyes are wired "oddly". My visit to the last optometrist last Wednesday resulted in the same thing. She told me, "I don't think I've ever seen eyes like the back of yours… Has anyone ever told you that?" My mother, brother, father, and grandmother have all been told the same thing. My mother and my brother also experience the same things I do, and recently I discovered my father does as well. He just like denying anything was experienced. When four people at the same time experience the same event, you can't call it mentally unbalanced. But, I'm sure you will and give some half ass explanation.
I've watched some "thing" pick up objects, such as toys on a shelf, and toss them a few feet, only to have someone else near by ask if the toy just flew off the shelf by itself. Of course the toy didn't do it by itself, some thing made it do that, only I saw a "some thing" and the person didn't see any "thing".
People believe weird things that have no basis in logic and can even be readily disproven. Of course that is no reason not to base a world view on that belief even for mentally healthy people.
You say this because you do not understand what wasn't taught to you in general schooling. Eight out of ten times something labeled as paranormal can be explained, but those two times blow your mind because you must label it paranormal.
Of course, I'm assuming you understand the actual definition of paranormal, which is being above the normal. Just because something is paranormal doesn't mean it does not have a scientific explanation. No, paranormal just means this is something which doesn't occur in a manner we consider normal at the time.
Your "mentally unhealthy" and closed minded attitude does not explain the responding of disembodied voices, responding apparitions, and physical touching with nothing, which as yet we don't consider, physical presence of a being.
I'm guessing at some time you had dire need of psychoanalytical help. I'm glad it worked for you or someone you know, but just because someone you know needed it, doesn't mean the world does because something doesn't fit your idea of how the world does or needs to operate.
Keep plugging your ears, closing your eyes, and shouting, "GET THERAPY!" It does wonders to help your cause.
The idea is that he goes to see a therapist, and then with the therapists aid decides the best course of action. If said action involves not returning for more therapy, then hooray.
The idea is that: hearing odd voices = not normal. We know we can it un-normal because shockingly enough, human brains are not supposed to do things like that.
I honestly don't understand why so many people distrust doctors and therapists. Where the hell does the idea that they're all trying to murder in your sleep and then loot your bank account come from? Most of them do get into those professions because, get this, THEY ACTUALLY POSSESS A DESIRE TO HELP PEOPLE. I realise that sounds crazy. Maybe I should see a therapist.
Have you ever noticed how it's always the close minded people whining that others are close minded?
Hmm…except I'm not being closed minded. I've never suggested people not see mental help professionals. My mother received quite a bit of help thanks to anti-depression medication prescribed to her. I've also not suggested he not seek the aid of such practices.
The thing is, though, "shockingly enough", human brains are very odd things to doctors and most don't know what the brain is really supposed to do. Those who study the brain simply know what a "common" brain does or what a brain "commonly" does. Stating otherwise is like saying Michael Phelps' body is not supposed to have set the world record because normal bodies don't do that.
Though I'm sure someone is going to say he achieved it through training…well, good for that argument, except now you're saying the "muscle" that is the brain cannot be trained or exercised to develop anything more than "normal". So, no amount of reading, studying, or lessons will help a person to have a better memory or the sort.
Some people are just wired differently than others. Sometimes this means a mental illness, sometimes this means an ability others do not have, sometimes it means a really high IQ.
I've watched some "thing" pick up objects, such as toys on a shelf, and toss them a few feet, only to have someone else near by ask if the toy just flew off the shelf by itself. Of course the toy didn't do it by itself, some thing made it do that, only I saw a "some thing" and the person didn't see any "thing".
"i wasn't shooting at the suspect. i saw a glowing figure with a plasma gun about to disintegrate me! he's in this room this very moment. see he just threw that lawyer's pen. of course the pen didn't do it by itself, some thing made it do that."
for me it's all about evidence. prove it or make it seem credible or i wont believe it.
I've watched some "thing" pick up objects, such as toys on a shelf, and toss them a few feet, only to have someone else near by ask if the toy just flew off the shelf by itself. Of course the toy didn't do it by itself, some thing made it do that, only I saw a "some thing" and the person didn't see any "thing".
"i wasn't shooting at the suspect. i saw a glowing figure with a plasma gun about to disintegrate me! he's in this room this very moment. see he just threw that lawyer's pen. of course the pen didn't do it by itself, some thing made it do that."
for me it's all about evidence. prove it or make it seem credible or i wont believe it.
That sounds like a study on Schizophrenia I heard about on a radio science program. They were studying the effects of memory and time perception. They were able to determine that sometimes people with Schizophrenia suffer a disconnect between cause and effect that was related to the way humans perceive time: they do something, but they don't actually realise that they did it, they can't connect the action and the fact that they performed it, so they construct a scenario that makes it plausible; ie. something else alien or magical was responsible.
-The way that related to time perception is that the way the brain recognises time passing is amazingly complex and very easy to go wrong. We don't really perceive events in "real time" all in one go, what happens is that our brains reconstruct events to happen in the right order after receiving all the different diverse sensory input (a simple version of that is how our eyes only see upside-down but our brains turn the picture around the right way). It's very easy for that to go wrong.
Something similar could happen with the voices, like you said earlier Sub: because of the condition, they don't realise the thoughts or memories are their own and so ascribe some other source for them.
The thing is, though, "shockingly enough", human brains are very odd things to doctors and most don't know what the brain is really supposed to do. Those who study the brain simply know what a "common" brain does or what a brain "commonly" does. Stating otherwise is like saying Michael Phelps' body is not supposed to have set the world record because normal bodies don't do that.
You are confusing 'normal' with 'not broken'. I mean, if my arm was bending the wrong way, does that mean that it's merely working in a different way, or that I should see a doctor because it's about to fall off?
See, a persons body getting healthier and stronger with exercise is normal. Because bodies work that way. Brains however, are not supposed to talk to you. They are not meant to make you see howling phantoms grow out of your wall and try to molest you either, that's why I take those pills now. Brains are muscles, ok? They perform certain tasks, and attempt to prevent the body from doing bad things such as walking off cliffs or shitting themselves. Therefore, when a brain stops doing this, there must be something wrong with it.
It's all very well to go against the mainstream and common ideology in terms of art, I fully support that. Just don't apply it to sanity.
If you accept a paranormal reason for these things - voices, things moving that no one else sees, etc - then what?
Should he listen to the voices because he has no choice? Is seeking medical help for a paranormal condition something that makes sense?
Listen, I know we all have deeply held beliefs that our perceptions of the world are correct. But Croi Dhubh's example, to me, shows that his family has a genetic disposition that that informs their perceptions. They share some very similar physical traits that are unusual from the normal. The result could very well be a mental process that "takes a wrong turn" and makes the wrong connections and conclusions.
That seems to me to be more likely than the idea that invisible people are throwing things around for apparently no reason. If you want to prove that otherwise, get a video camera, follow these invisible people around and show their effects. Because even if most us can't percieve these people, there's no reason the PHYSICAL movement of real objects can't be shown.
…but I bet you'll find that they're "camera shy." Which only leads to more questions, right?
Except there are times when those things aren't camera shy. Good evidence is difficult to come by because we're not sure why some things happen or under what conditions. Like I said, though, eight out of ten times there's undisputed reasons as to why something happens. It's the two times you have ruled out current scientific acceptance and explanations which are evidence and interesting.
I think you all assume I go around and hear voices everywhere I go, or I see things all day long. Assuming makes you and I look like an asshole, but mostly you. Things fall off the shelves and it's a shake in the foundation or a breeze. Do I see a "something" then? No. I see an object drop to the floor. I hear someone calling me or talking. Do I automatically attribute it to paranormal? No, I listen for a while and usually find out it's a broadcast or someone down the street.
I'm not walking down the street having conversations with myself. I'm not the only one in the world (nor is my family) to experience these phenomena. As the saying goes, "When you remove all the speculation and theory, what remains, no matter how strange, is the truth."
It's taken fifty years to prove some of Einsteins theories, and some of them still cannot be proven. Using some of the models presented in this thread, he was mentally unbalanced for even thinking of them.
Before anyone wants to try and point some bullshit thing out here, my last psychological exam was in February of this year. I'm required due to my profession and any time I'm involved in any kind of "traumatic event", per department policy. I scored a 136 IQ when I took the MENSA exam (I was curious). I'm also not uneducated, I have a degree in Criminology and remained on the Dean's List for two years straight.
—————- I could go on a lot about the "camera shy" thing and why things don't always show up on camera/video, but that should be more for a paranormal discussion thread. Also, it's a lot of theory, much like what a ghost actually is.
when i see an object fall to the floor i think about one haunting force. gravity. ^_^
gravity is still a relatively unknown force. it acts in weird ways. why can gravity attract massive objects like the moon and not crush us at the same time?
anyways things can be rationalized scientifically, just because we don't have the tools yet to analyze certain things doesn't mean they are ghosts. just think about how viruses and bacterial infections were placed under "evil spirits" 200 years ago because no one was able to see them with their naked eye.
You're absolutely right!!! A psychiatrist has the authority over how I'm suppose to think. A psychiatrist is the one who can control my destiny.
And I should just shut up and chug down all the chemicals to make my brain normal (aside from being on a constant diet of FOX NEWS which is the MOST CREDIBLE news source in the whole wide world).
(aside from being on a constant diet of FauX NEWS which is the MOST CREDIBLE news source in the whole wide world).
hurf hurf hurf i fix'd.
also, believe there are some people who actually do hear see things that others can't. and that sometimes physciatric help will not be the best choice. (sometimes, sometimes, sometimes)
a good psychiatrist can only guide you, the person has to make the journey. medications help the patient to calm down, decrease the stimulation, and hallucinations to make them ready to take the journey.
you have to think that psychiatry is a relatively young practice, just like how early surgery was labeled as barbaric in its infantile state. only 50 years ago they lock people up in institutions because they couldn't control their emotions and hallucinations. They had perform everything from draining blood out of the head to excessive shock therapy.
Just because a person isn't bothered by their hallucinations and can adjust doesn't mean that across the board another person isn't contemplating suicide because of voices.
please don't make it a crusade saying that "it just makes you creative if you hallucinate, so enjoy the voices". let people have a choice, and have someone who actually has some experience on anatomy and disease process. anyone here a brain surgeon or a a titled psychiatrist? you know going to college for many years in a certain field with actual research isn't bullshit you know.
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