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yeah, she probably wouldn't last very long in a real world battle…
who cares.

she purdy

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What the hell is armor?
Correction…
Vat da hell iz AMAH?

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You know, there is this feminist theory about warrior women (or womyn or wymen, I'm not sure…) which says that your average heterosexual white male is at least suspicious about everything that might endanger his superiority, and stong women fall into this category.
So what do heterosexual white males do? If they depict strong women (both physically as well as psychically), they clothe them into very sexy outfits to counterbalance their strength, so that they don't have to be afraid of them. In other words: the stronger a woman is, the more it must be shown that she still is "only" a woman. If she's just a sex symbol you can't take her serious, can you?

Wow, I never thought about that. You damn macho pigs, you!

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Ha! It's a good little theory, but I think it's too neat and cute really. lol!

If anything, men admire strength and beauty. A warrior woman is the perfect mix of two things we rally love. ^_^
Even cuter and neater ;)

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Yup, Oz is right. Strong, beautiful warrior women? I'm a fan.

I've always found fantasy armor a tad silly, but there are just some things that are too damn cool to not exist. Large helmet crests, interesting patterns emblazoned on the armor, all of these are highly impractical but I'll be damned if they don't look amazing.

And hey, for us, it's all about the look. ;D

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but it is fantasy armor, right?
the girl could wear a Brooch of Protection and run around butt naked in a fantasy setting and not get hurt.
It's magical!

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but it is fantasy armor, right?
the girl could wear a Brooch of Protection and run around butt naked in a fantasy setting and not get hurt.
It's magical!

:) :) :)

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Your nekkid thing is fine, but more recognisable armour adds to the look a lot more.

Anyway, that magical element comes from myth. There are a wealth of religious/mythical tales about such minimal yet very protective armour…

Even today many of those African militias have those sorts of beliefs. Magical protection from bullets… :)

The best "sexy" real armour I've seen comes from India. Female breast plates that actually really do include breasts. That's real antique armour, and not a one off either, I've seen it in art galleries and museums.

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….And the funny thing is, a minute later, she magically takes out all of those arrows and hurls them back out at her enemies. It's great.

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Yup, Oz is right. Strong, beautiful warrior women? I'm a fan.

I've always found fantasy armor a tad silly, but there are just some things that are too damn cool to not exist. Large helmet crests, interesting patterns emblazoned on the armor, all of these are highly impractical but I'll be damned if they don't look amazing.

And hey, for us, it's all about the look. ;D

-W

Actually, quite a lot of cultures throughout history have decorative armour, I suppose most of it was ceremonial though.

Unless you're talking about Celts, they fought in the nud.

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You know, there is this feminist theory about warrior women . . . which says that your average heterosexual white male is at least suspicious about everything that might endanger his superiority, and stong women fall into this category . . . So what do . . . males do? If they depict strong women (both physically as well as psychically), they clothe them into very sexy outfits to counterbalance their strength, so that they don't have to be afraid of them.

In other words: the stronger a woman is, the more it must be shown that she still is "only" a woman. If she's just a sex symbol you can't take her serious, can you?

That's a good assessment of feminist think at a scholarly level. It's bunk, but it's good bunk, Lemniskate. I'm not singling out feminist scholars, here, because MOST scholarly theories are bunk to one degree or another. IT derives from the old [and very stupid] publish or perish requirements for professors trying to attain tenure; it derives from narrow field specialist graduate students trying to please their own professors while somehow distinguishing themselves even slightly from the rest of the student pack of equally narrow-field specialists, and it derives from a fundamental lack of cynicism or knowledge of business imperatives to earn money for the company.

The truth is that this tradition of depicting mostly nude warrior women in comics and illustrations came from pandering to the prurient sexual interests of your typical white male [these were the original fan base with disposable income, after all], usually teenage geekazoid who didn't have access to much if any porn in those days but who wanted access, craved access, but would make do with skin shots of ordinarily fit and healthy barbarian females.

"Gee-wiz, Mom and Dad, it's not pornography, it's a comic book about barbarians saving their world from dragon lords! I would NEVER buy porn. This is intellectual literature. I'm learning about history and ancient cultures. Would you please get your minds out of the gutter?! Bye!"

Slam!

"Ooooooh . . . Red Sonya baby. Oh . . . get a gander at those thighs. You can ride my body anytime you like. I've got your Conan-sized broad sword right here baby!" Frap! Frap! Frap!

And so forth.

It was always warrior women [most of them routinely wore less clothing than the prostitutes in those famous tavern scenes] because warriors are dramatic in nature and could theoretically have run around three quarters naked. Since there weren't any independent, roving, barbarian warrior females going one-on-one against hulking barbarian males and beating them, it's theoretically possible that they would have all looked like a cross between Ms. Olympia and the currently popular porn star actress right? Right?!

Yeah, riiiiiight. For verisimilitude, after all, the artist couldn't have justified depicting the average peasant female as a quasi nudist in everyday activities. But barbarian warrior females were fair game and tended to bring in that gekazoid fifty cents per comic issue.

Depicting mostly naked females was and is a business interest of the retail comic industry, it is an interesting and entertaining past time of the average male artist in possession of a healthy [or maybe not entirely healthy] fascination for the sensual beauty of the female form, and it is a use of eye candy for the readership.

Oddly enough, even though our society is porn saturated thanks to the Internet, there is as much or even more interest today in partly clothed warrior women than there was during the 1960s and 70s. Go figure.








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Unless you're talking about Celts, they fought in the nud.

Yup, just like me. I fight in woad. ;D

-W

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You'll get hit by a car!

Ba-Dum-Bum-Kssssh!

That was good Oz, very nice. But, back on topic, I think my favorite kind of real armor that seems like something out of fantasy was the silk armor worn by the Persian horse archers and light infantry. Super light weight, sewn in with metal strips, it moved like a second skin. Also, the way that the fabric was woven, it actually would stop arrows. Something to do with the elasticity of the silk, arrows would just bore into it, and barely penetrate.

I think thats just plain awesome. That and it looked damn cool too. What better way to fight than in a snazzy silk shirt? ;D

-W

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What better way? Why, shiny, pointy gothic full plate armour, that's what!
That form distorting, slim-line high-fashion steel-wear made quite a statement, as well as being practical. With a stylish sallet style helmet you have yourself an admirable suit of armour for all occasions. ;)

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What better way? Why, shiny, pointy gothic full plate armour, that's what!
That form distorting, slim-line high-fashion steel-wear made quite a statement, as well as being practical. With a stylish sallet style helmet you have yourself an admirable suit of armour for all occasions. ;)

You would! Assuming you could stand up, with the weight of it! XD

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And don't forget the doggie….



And our feathered friends need armor, too…

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I bet you I could ;)

I take that bet! Now find some armour and wear it and STAND UP! I dares thee, good sir knight! XD

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And don't forget the doggie….

See … I have no problem with half-naked female warriors. In fact, we should probably have more of them. I'd sign a petition to replace our regular police with them.

But those dogs … it's just silly. They're completely unprotected from the waist down!
;)

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But those dogs … it's just silly. They're completely unprotected from the waist down!
;)

FOOL! DO YOU DARE TO DOUBT THE BATTLE PUG??!

-W

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That Battle Pug will totally mess some folks up. Now I'm tempted to find armour for my pug.

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Well I've made some for horses… I've thought about making it for my cats too but steel work like that is hard… and a bit of a waste of time for a cat since they'd hate wearing it. :(

I bet you I could ;)
I take that bet! Now find some armour and wear it and STAND UP! I dares thee, good sir knight! XD
Ha! I've worn bits… Seen kids wearing adult suits too. Real armour is distributed weight so it's not that bad. heavy chainmail is murder though, much heavier than plate.

Ha! Maybe I'll look for a suit to wear…

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…then it's imaginary? :P You're right Midge. Imaginary armour doesn't weigh anything, it'd be easy to stand up in. *sigh*

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