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Light triumphant over dark... why?
The thing people forget when they look back and imagine the "primitive" days is that they can't escape their modern perspective. You see, darkness is a lot more frightening and dangerous to those who think they can control the light ;)
Our distant ancestors didn't HAVE electricity, candles, or even fire. Day was as much a part of their world as night.
Oh yeah? You never heard of the primitive terrorbots made by evil scientist neanderthals as revenge for their uncalled for aggression by humans?! I bet you haven't!
Who says that the light is inherently better than the dark? Darkness is merely the absence of light. Why is that bad? You rarely hear of 'Warriors of Darkness' saving the world from an evil, searing light god-king or whatever, (though they do exist). Why is that? Do people associate goodness with light more readily, or is it just that so many games and stories already say 'light is good, dark is bad' so they just assume that must always be the case?Personally, I'm just up and down with the sun. Because I'm solar energized. SOLAR POWA GO. So, yeah, darkness is pretty bad for me because it wastes my battery and I end up running out of power in the middle of a dark alley way and someone takes advantage of my solarless body. And then I'm addicted to heroin.
Just putting my thoughts out there.
And to think I though Chthonic meant under earth deities as in Greek mythology. That's the more general terminology I learned in college where I also discovered the Cthulhu mythos which I have to avoid in my comic lest it become a tribute comic.
Gods of light may just be gods who live in the light of the sun as opposed to the gods of dark who abide out of the sunlight. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with good and evil as Ozone has pointed out. Them there pagans had a different way of looking at light and darkness. Enlightenment was often offered in the dark as opposed to being a transition from light to dark.
Some recommended books and : The Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan and A World Lit Only by Fire by William Manchester. Lots of fun to read.
It's because you can see in the light. Turn on a light in a dark room. Pow! You can see now.
Light warriors are supposed to be all-seeing, cognizant of all the good in the world! But swarthy people are in the shadows plotting, unable to be seen, you can't tell who's good or bad in the dark etc. etc. Flopping it would be nice, though; say the dark robs us of all our silly preconceptions, prevents us from relying too much on logic or our eyes. Meanwhile the light fools us, makes us own up to our responsibilities, even blinds us. Ooooh.
You can see far in the light, but not in the dark.
'Course, some people don't want to be seen. But the same kinds of people can be evil in broad daylight and get away with it!
'Course, according to legend, the very first thing God did was bring light into the world. That was a good idea.
I'm all for breaking out of the standard cliches. In one of my stories, the spirit in control of light (or fire) is actually kind of a dick. I kind of like certain aspects of light/dark conventions, but there are different levels of lightness and darkness, so it's just not black and white. <3
Something that centers on the battle of light against dark isn't likely to interest me. To give a kind of general example, The Dark Knight wasn't like that at all.
Jewish myth has the God created light stuff, but in Egyptian myth, Roman, Greek, native American, Australian Aboriginal etc Darkness is equally important in various ways and light certainly isn't supreme. The gods and spirits who live in the dark aren't always evil or anything, they just have a different domain.
Even death isn't always represented by darkness- in many cultures white is death… Obviously Japan, but also for desert people like some Australian Aboriginal peoples where the sun can mean death, brightness and day isn't an entirely good thing…
You see that too in many people where their world is always frozen a white- being day half the year and night the other, bright whiteness isn't much better than darkness really to them.
Also, remember: Children scared of the dark use a night-light. What does that tell you about night and people's so called "innate primitive" fear of it eh? lol!
Who says that the light is inherently better than the dark? Darkness is merely the absence of light. Why is that bad? You rarely hear of 'Warriors of Darkness' saving the world from an evil, searing light god-king or whatever, (though they do exist). Why is that? Do people associate goodness with light more readily, or is it just that so many games and stories already say 'light is good, dark is bad' so they just assume that must always be the case?Personally, I'm just up and down with the sun. Because I'm solar energized. SOLAR POWA GO. So, yeah, darkness is pretty bad for me because it wastes my battery and I end up running out of power in the middle of a dark alley way and someone takes advantage of my solarless body. And then I'm addicted to heroin.
Just putting my thoughts out there.
I'm the same, but I'm more partial to crack.
This is why I want to study a lot of different cultures. :D Other people's perceptions of light and dark speak a lot of their way of life. It either ties into their morality or is kind of just there… (I especially like Egyptian myth)
I think what we've come to perceive in the west is universally applicable and thus overused, so creatives better start busting out the less conventional associations real soon.
The white/light part of the yin-yang (the yang) is supposed to represent the more negative things, I think. Amusing!
Been a while since I studied any sort of social iconicism or theories relating to it, but it's a cultural thing. After reading through the above posts I can safely assume you all know that already.
What can I say that hasn't already been said though? We're afraid of darkness in general because of primal survival instinct and the fact that you can't see too well in it. Plus, generally speaking, Christianity colloquially potrays hell as being "underground", dark and full of evil and whatnot. On a related note, I seem to recall the devil being called "the morning star" and the face of temptation. The cornerstone of evil in our religion was a sight of beauty and magnificense second only to God Himself. How ironic.
Still, that doesn't account for the cultural differences of why we continually portray heroes as warriors of the light, and villains of darkness. A warrior of darkness isn't so much a bad idea, I mean who's to say the black knight couldn't ride his black horse against the evil king in all his radiant splendor?
And while I don't think anyone was serious when they said racism, I nonetheless don't think it has anything to do with that at all. I mean these archetypes existed long before cultural blending on the scale we see it. Hell, even in Africa evil is portrayed in darker colors.
I couldn't give a honest, 100% answer without doing some serious anthropological research, and it's about time for my lunch break.
Who says that the light is inherently better than the dark? Darkness is merely the absence of light. Why is that bad? You rarely hear of 'Warriors of Darkness' saving the world from an evil, searing light god-king or whatever, (though they do exist). Why is that? Do people associate goodness with light more readily, or is it just that so many games and stories already say 'light is good, dark is bad' so they just assume that must always be the case?
Just putting my thoughts out there.
A simple explanation:
In the light, you see. In the dark, you can't see.
If you can see, that is good. Its good not to be blind.
If you can't see, that is bad. Who in their right mind would want to be blind?
What is that Dark Helmet said to Lone Starr in Spaceballs? "Evil will always win, because good is dumb."
I like to follow the percieved personalities of Light Vs. Darkness. Light shines out, permeates, illuminates all it touches. Darkness cowers away from the light. When the two are opposed, it is always that way. Darkness cowering from the light. Light reaching out to all it can. Even considering a speck of light from a star or a keyhole… it shines through, and darkness hides just out of its reach.
there was this story that i read when i was a freshman in college, that for the life of me, i cannot remember the name of the book or who was the author.
it was a fantasy adventure book. the basic premise was the good guys had won, and with all the major evil figures destroyed, they were using magic to turn everyone who was remotely evil into good citizens. if you didn't go along with this mandatory brainwashing thing, then you were killed. the main heroes were also on a major quest to (do something that i forgot but basically would spread goodness and righteousness across the planet.)
the problem was, they were so overzealous that they could have been seen as the darker characters. while the real heroes of the book were the rag tag gang of evil guys that didn't want to be brainwashed, so they wanted to stop that from happening.
my memory is a bit spotty, so i won't try to recall anymore, but it was certainly a fun read, and a welcome departure from most "anti-hero" stories and all the goody two shoes tales.
I for one prefer white chocolate to milk chocolate to dark. All the rest of my feelings around light and dark revolve around my views on chocolate.LOL that so funny. Here is my two cents. Humans are naturally fearful of the unknown and being in the 'dark' and not being able to see through the dark just makes us fearful. However, in nature light is weaker than the dark. What I mean is that gravity is so powerful in black holes even light can't escape. Also, the matter in the universe we can see with our eyes can not account for all the gravity that holds galaxies together and scientists finally have evidence of 'dark' matter and 'dark' energy that dominate our universe. Maybe we have it all wrong, maybe the 'dark' is the true hero instead of the 'light'.
there was this story that i read when i was a freshman in college, that for the life of me, i cannot remember the name of the book or who was the author.
it was a fantasy adventure book. the basic premise was the good guys had won, and with all the major evil figures destroyed, they were using magic to turn everyone who was remotely evil into good citizens. if you didn't go along with this mandatory brainwashing thing, then you were killed. the main heroes were also on a major quest to (do something that i forgot but basically would spread goodness and righteousness across the planet.)
the problem was, they were so overzealous that they could have been seen as the darker characters. while the real heroes of the book were the rag tag gang of evil guys that didn't want to be brainwashed, so they wanted to stop that from happening.
my memory is a bit spotty, so i won't try to recall anymore, but it was certainly a fun read, and a welcome departure from most "anti-hero" stories and all the goody two shoes tales.
GRAGH! I demand that you find this story for me! I demand!
Also- vexx78
You pretty much said what Lovecraft said. "The strongest emotion is fear, and the strongest kind of fear is the fear of the unknown"
Dark matter is pretty rad.
everything is subjective.
so if darkness is the new light, then does that make black the new white?
Black was the new white twenty years ago, where have you been? Then Goths ruined it and pastels came in, but darks as opposed to pastels are in right now, but not black.
That's really back to Goths, art students and undertakers.
As for the whole "you can't see in the dark thing!" That's your problem, not mine. You can over time adapt to nocturnal hunting/stalking and improve your night vision (then there is night vision equipment) You guys obviously haven't had to wander around in the dark looking for things to break and people to kill.
Welcome to the twenty-four hour battlefield. Though I have to say the hallucinations after being awake for longer than 72 hours are really distracting. lol!
As for the whole "you can't see in the dark thing!" That's your problem, not mine. You can over time adapt to nocturnal hunting/stalking and improve your night vision (then there is night vision equipment) You guys obviously haven't had to wander around in the dark looking for things to break and people to kill.
Welcome to the twenty-four hour battlefield. Though I have to say the hallucinations after being awake for longer than 72 hours are really distracting. lol!
The darkness (or at least as dark as you can get and still have night vision worth anything) is the best time to do awesome things. Oh yes it is. Like tieing someone onto the seat of a motorcycle then putting it up a tree.
HaLlUcInAtIoNs? Whass that, huh? Sounds like bussing monssers up in yer eyes, they focus you!
i wish i could remember the name of that book, but i'm still drawing a blank…..the lead hero was such a bad ass too….i want to read it again!
I have read so many good books with badass main characters that I might have read it! ARRRGH! You are making me suffer without touching me!
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