This tells us that the Ripper and Assassin are both active in the game and targeting a single person.
This implies foreknowledge of who this person was: since two people attempted to attack and Hark saved, this person's attacks must have been expected. The fact that the person was able to prevent the first death and was saved from the second would mean mayor, paranoid, or veteran, all of whom can survive one attack.
This implies that one of two people was targeted - myself or Paranoid. It would require more murderers to kill me and the Veteran hasn't been discussed; therefore, it was Paranoid.
One of those attackers should have died, in the way I've always seen this game played.
And if martinlo can't be messaged, then I have no way to ask him about his role even if he gets it! There's all kinds of crap to deal with! Ugh, I have to study for an exam. NOTHING is going to get done right now.
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*floats in for a rules discussion but wont comment on clues*
Wooo!
I posted my medic save ages ago, so if we are doing it by order of events mine happened first anyway.
Woohoo!
A paranoids power does not work if they are attacked by more then one person in the same night, both attackers survive and the paranoid is killed (unless saved by an medic)
wooooo!
The paranoids power is only activated by murder attempts, not other abilities, like medic saves
Wooooo!
I dont know if these are the regular rules but if you read humormans rules section it states all this pretty clearly. Since those are the written rules we all agreed too when we started playing, we have to accept them, even though we may not like them or be used to them……
wooooo!
*floats back to heaven*
"You're dumb!" said the townie.
"Hey, I'm not dumb! I planned this all along!" retorted the stranger.
So who do we know who's a schemer who had a disagreement with Ozone?
"Oh, be quiet," said the stranger. "I am so sick and tired of the things that come from your mouth! All you bring to this town is death and destruction!
"Hello? Hello?!" shouted the man to the lifeless paramedic. "Oops… well, um… see you later!"
Looks like a pacifist who disagreed with Hark to me. Someone who doesn't have the stomach to kill and did it by accident.
This tells us that the Ripper and Assassin are both active in the game and targeting a single person.
The only problem with that is that there are clues pointing to two people. The assassin leaves no clues.
This implies foreknowledge of who this person was: since two people attempted to attack and Hark saved, this person's attacks must have been expected. The fact that the person was able to prevent the first death and was saved from the second would mean mayor, paranoid, or veteran, all of whom can survive one attack.They can't have been targetting you. You take three people to kill you, so, sending two to kill you would be rather wasteful of a night hit.
This implies that one of two people was targeted - myself or Paranoid. It would require more murderers to kill me and the Veteran hasn't been discussed; therefore, it was Paranoid.
One of those attackers should have died, in the way I've always seen this game played.
Also, the veteran doesn't need more than one person to be killed, it needs to be attacked on three seperate occasions, as far as I know.
And yeah, as Hark said, if more than one attacker attacks the paranoid, the attackers live and the paranoids die.
Not by the true rules. I'm a purist. I follow the rules of the game. It is tradition.
According to rules (I got these from BK when we were thinking about killing Gullas) This is what happens if the paranoid is attacked (by order):
mafia, mafia, paramedic
The first mafia dies. The second kills the paranoid. The paramedic is too late. Night business wasted.
paramedic, mafia, mafia
The paramedic dies (whoops). The the first mafia kills the paranoid. The second mafia wasted their time.
mafia, paramedic, mafia
The first mafia gets killed. The paramedic thwarts the second one. Paranoid is very happy to be alive.
There is a reason this game goes by chronology. It is to make sure that everything is fair. It is first come first served.
So either the paranoid wasn't attacked or humorman doesn't know the rules of the game.
Not by the true rules. I'm a purist. I follow the rules of the game. It is tradition.
According to rules (I got these from BK when we were thinking about killing Gullas) This is what happens if the paranoid is attacked (by order):
mafia, mafia, paramedic
The first mafia dies. The second kills the paranoid. The paramedic is too late. Night business wasted.
paramedic, mafia, mafia
The paramedic dies (whoops). The the first mafia kills the paranoid. The second mafia wasted their time.
mafia, paramedic, mafia
The first mafia gets killed. The paramedic thwarts the second one. Paranoid is very happy to be alive.
There is a reason this game goes by chronology. It is to make sure that everything is fair. It is first come first served.
So either the paranoid wasn't attacked or humorman doesn't know the rules of the game.
Okay, let me just say that this version of the mafia game is not the same as the previous one. I have listed the roles, and I have stated before that many of these roles (even roles returning from the previous game) have been changed.
In terms of chronology, people who attack first will have their kill made first. However, depending on players' roles, kills may be done at the same time. I have a list of all the night actions so I do put things together on a first-come/first-serve basis.
Also, this is a social game! Don't take anything on here as a threat or insult or whatever. All of the roles have been passed out randomly, so if you think I purposely gave you a role for some reason, then it's just a coincidence.
I am highly considering quitting. For your roles were not as specific as you lead us to belive. For the word "Expand" means more not "Cheep Knock Off"
While I've seen GM rage before, I've never seen a player so willing to quit. This doesn't really speak well for things. And Humorman, I'll say this, it doesn't even seem like you're following your own rules at times.
Wow.
I don't even know what I did wrong, but I've reviewed the rules I made and can't see anything that would make me contradict myself. I said it would be complicated, but I wouldn't think that one little decision would make people riot. It's not like I even killed anyone who's complaining right now, so I have no clue what was the big deal with last night's actions.
Anyways, for whatever I did incorrectly, I'm sorry, but please don't ruin the entire game for everyone else.
okay lets looka at the clues…
'Twas the first night of the… night. The air was crisp and cool, yet also electrified with electricity.Okay, this makes no sense for me what so ever. Might be the work of the Brains?
One townie is in his house. Staring at the crackling fire of his fireplace, he knew his time was up. Just then, a stranger entered his through the front door.
"So, you're here to kill me. I can honestly say I'm not surprised." said the townie.
"Relax, it will all be over soon." said the stranger.
"You're dumb!" said the townie.
"Hey, I'm not dumb! I planned this all along!" retorted the stranger.
The stranger then pulled out a gun… *BANG* *BANG* …the townie was dead.
"Well, that was easy. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a bowl of gazpacho waiting for me at home… Oh wait, you can't excuse me, because you're dead! BWAHAHAHA!!!"
Ozoneocean the Jail-keeper has been killed.
Meanwhile, in another house, another person was about to settle down to some popcorn or something, but as he was about to reach for the Jiffy-Pop…Somehow I feel that these lines "…ne'er-do-wells…" and "Et tu" might have something to do with this…
WHOOOSH!!!
Right in the refrigerator, a Sword of Osiris had been thrown.
"Jeepers creepers! It's the Ripper! Why do bad things always happen to me?" screeched the man with the popcorn.
"Are you serious? Nothing but bad things are bound to arise here, in a town full of mafiosos and ne'er-do-wells such as myself!" chuckled the Ripper.
So the fight began, but before the Ripper could cast a final blow, the popcorn-man was able to grasp for the Sword of Osiris stuck in the fridge.
The defender yelled, "A ha! Now the sword is on the other fo–"
*BANG*
Just then, a sniper bullet from nowhere pierced the defender's right leg.
"Et tu, assassin?!?!" wailed the wounded popcorn-wielding man.
"Well, looks like my job is done!" said the Ripper as he merrily skipped out of the house.
It seemed as though it was the end for the popcorn-man, but just then, a paramedic showed up!
"Sorry I can't stay, but I'm going to miss my shows!" said the paramedic in a rush.
Hooray! No one has died in this house tonight.
"Oh boy! I can't wait for my shows!" said the paramedic, gleefully running from the house that wreaked with popcorn and artificial butter. Just then, the paramedic saw a familiar face near the door of his house.Okay either it is someone who Harkovast has declared a friend in the thread or someone who was really against his conspiracy therories…
"Hey guy," yelled the paramedic. "Did you wanna watch some TV with me, friend?"
"Oh, be quiet," said the stranger. "I am so sick and tired of the things that come from your mouth! All you bring to this town is death and destruction! I'm so angry at you that I could… I… I'm… I'm going to throw this brick at your head!"
And so the man did. The brick flung through the air and struck the paramedic right in the temple. The paramedic then collapsed on the floor.
"Hello? Hello?!" shouted the man to the lifeless paramedic. "Oops… well, um… see you later!"
But he never did see him later, because the paramedic was dead!
Harkovast the paramedic has been killed.
Well okay, I'm gonna have a closer look, listing all the things that could be clues. I'll investigate them to see if they point to everyone soon.
'Twas the first night of the… night. The air was crisp and cool, yet also electrified with electricity.The air was apparently crisp and cool, and filled with electricity, sounds unusual, so it's probably a clue.
One townie is in his house. Staring at the crackling fire of his fireplace, he knew his time was up. Just then, a stranger entered his through the front door.
"So, you're here to kill me. I can honestly say I'm not surprised." said the townie.
"Relax, it will all be over soon." said the stranger.
"You're dumb!" said the townie.
"Hey, I'm not dumb! I planned this all along!" retorted the stranger.
The stranger then pulled out a gun… *BANG* *BANG* …the townie was dead.
"Well, that was easy. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a bowl of gazpacho waiting for me at home… Oh wait, you can't excuse me, because you're dead! BWAHAHAHA!!!"
The killer entered the house through the front door, instead of breaking in. Again, I have no idea what these could mean, but it's possible they're clues.
Then there's the argument with Ozone. So, if there's someone who's argued with Ozone, that might be referencing to that.
Gazpacho…I have no idea what this is. o_o
So we have four possible clues for the first person.
Now for the second person
Meanwhile, in another house, another person was about to settle down to some popcorn or something, but as he was about to reach for the Jiffy-Pop…The sword was thrown…I dunno if it's a clue, but maybe it's someone who…throws things alot? o_o
WHOOOSH!!!
Right in the refrigerator, a Sword of Osiris had been thrown.
"Jeepers creepers! It's the Ripper! Why do bad things always happen to me?" screeched the man with the popcorn.
"Are you serious? Nothing but bad things are bound to arise here, in a town full of mafiosos and ne'er-do-wells such as myself!" chuckled the Ripper.
So the fight began, but before the Ripper could cast a final blow, the popcorn-man was able to grasp for the Sword of Osiris stuck in the fridge.
The defender yelled, "A ha! Now the sword is on the other fo–"
*BANG*
Just then, a sniper bullet from nowhere pierced the defender's right leg.
"Et tu, assassin?!?!" wailed the wounded popcorn-wielding man.
"Well, looks like my job is done!" said the Ripper as he merrily skipped out of the house.
It seemed as though it was the end for the popcorn-man, but just then, a paramedic showed up!
"Sorry I can't stay, but I'm going to miss my shows!" said the paramedic in a rush.
Hooray! No one has died in this house tonight.
The person claims that this kind of thing always happens, as if they know this happens. So, maybe someone who was in the mafia the last time, or something?
The ripper was about to be killed by his own sword, when he was saved by someone else - probably the assassin - So maybe this person gets in trouble alot, and other people get them out of it?…
The person skips out of the house . I'm not sure what this means. :/
I'm not gonna do the clues for Harkovast's killing, as Dukat says it was the vigilante, and if we were to find out who the vigilante is, the mafia would kill them, and we'd lose an important member.
Although I was never informed, why or how do you know it was the vigilante, Dukat?
Okay, after this post I'll have a look at everyone for clues. (Yeah, I have the time to do this, I don't get out enough. ._. )
Oh, and I wanted to ask, is it daytime now?
I'm pretty sure it is, seeing as though the night narrative was announced, but, I wanna make sure. :o
Guys, Humorman laid out the roles and rules a long time ago, if you complain about them now it just means you didn't read carefully enough before you signed up. It was pretty clear from the beginning that it wasn't going to be the same as BK's game. It's not humorman's fault that he's following the rules he set out.
Edit: haha, other people were working on clues at the same time. :]
gullas- the Brain can't kill
crocty- good ideas!
Clues!
I will try and do a clue breakdown- but before I can do that I need humorman to confirm where he is drawing clues from. Humorman- you said you would be drawing clues from things people have said and done in this thread? Not from profiles, etc.? (What if someone hasn't done anything at all in the thread?)
We have 7 possible killers in this game:
2 vigilantes
1 Ripper (sword of osiris clues, can kill 2x night)
1 assassin
1 serial killer
1 paranoid
1 random
We can't really speculate on what the random's role is, it's unlikely to be a killing role but the chance is there so we should list him.
1st clue - was not done by the assassin or ripper. Ripper would include Sword of Osiris clues, and assassin leaves no clues, and there seems to be a clue here. It's not the paranoid either, as a jail keeper Oz wouldn't be able to do anything that would provoke the backfired action. So- Oz was probably killed by a vigilante or the serial killer. I'm guessing serial killer because the narrative talks about it having been planned.
Potential clues:
gazpacho - a cold tomato and vegetable soup originating in Spain
weather - crisp, cool, but "electrified with electricity". There is a fire going
dialogue - there may be some clue in the whole 'you're dumb' 'no I'm not' thing.
2nd clue - Although no one died thanks to the late Harkovast, this was committed by the Ripper and the assassin. That doesn't necessarily show foreknowledge of the target's role- just an organized attempt to take one person's life. If the ripper has 2 kills a night, why not use one of them to make sure someone dies? (Well, that didn't work.) The target could have been anyone (non mafia)- there's a way that this scenario could work out for every role, even the paranoid. I suggest we stop trying to figure out what role the target has. That information can only benefit the mafia, who was trying to kill this person in the first place, so they're the only ones who would be able to link this role to an actual player. The less information they have, the better.
Potential clues:
Since the assassin leaves no clues (other than being identified in the narrative, I'm guessing), any clues here point to the Ripper. From what I understand, there ought to be clues in addition to the mention of the Sword of Osiris- the SoO is just mentioned to link all his killings, not to be his sole clue. So,
Popcorn, jiffy pop - it's mentioned a couple times
fridge - where the sword stuck
jeepers creepers, bad things happen to me - possibly a reference to in-thread talk?
et tu - also possibly a reference to something, just sticks out a bit
3rd clue
This was also committed by a vigilante or the serial killer (or the random). I'm guessing it was a vigilante in this case, based on the narrative- the killer was sick of Hark making a ruckus, and killed him rather unimpressively and a bit accidentally with a brick.
I also suggest we do not try and figure out who this killer is, because we want the vigilante to remain hidden.
Clearly not everyone used their kills tonight. I find it strange that the Ripper didn't use his other kill- unless he did, and the action was blocked for some reason (target already dead, target someone protected like veteran or mayor). Not sure if humorman will give us any indications in those cases.
Wait. I've just realised.
The first killer mentioned having to go to gazpacho, and the person who was going to be killed by the ripper but saved said "Et tu"
So, maybe they're the same person? I mean, they both mentioned Spanish things.
I mean, I don't know this for sure, it might just be a coincidence, but it's possible that the mafia wanted to kill the vigilante or serial killer, who also killed Ozone?
I'm taking a closer look at the clues now, but I just wanted to put that out there right now…
the person who was going to be killed by the ripper but saved said "Et tu"
So, maybe they're the same person? I mean, they both mentioned Spanish things.
'Et tu' isn't spanish, it's Latin. It's a phrase from Shakespeare's Julius Ceasar, said by Caesar to his killer just before he died. However, it's usually used as an accusation of betrayal.
I don't think the mafia knows any roles at this point, I think their targets are based on just what we mafia did last game- pick out high-profile people, active people and that will hopfully A: hinder the figuring out of clues, and B: cause confusion about motives.
Oz played very well last game so he was a threat this time around. He was also asking to be killed, so why not?
We don't know who the second target was, or their role, and I suggest we keep it that way. But I think it would be safe to assume that it is a person the mafia either thought was a threat based on the previous game, or has been very visible in this game.
Hark was killed by the vigilante so it was pretty clearly a grudge thing. Again, bad idea to figure out who this is.
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