I just got into a bit of a row with my vet, lol.
My cat Annie will only eat wet food so I went to get her teeth checked. If she’s just fussy that’s fine but if she won’t eat dry because her teeth are bugging her that’s no good.
First the vet tells me that a lot of people think now that cats should only eat wet and no dry whatsoever anyways. So I was like well that’s good, I’m just a bit worried that her teeth will get bad if she’s only eating wet food.
So she gave me a sample of Royal Canin(who I’m 100% positive pay my vet to promote their food) Dental food to try. I was like, what? I just told you my cat won’t eat dry food!
I talk to her a bit more about pet nutrition and she tells me that holistic food is a “marketing scam” because if you put blueberries in a food, it doesn’t matter because a cat is a carnivore. I point out that Royal Canin has quite a lot of corn in it as filler, which I don’t like and seems worse to me than blueberries. She tells me that if it’s in there, it’s for a reason and based off of generations and generations of testing. Even though corn is a well-known filler in cheaper brands of pet food, apparently Royal Canin has determined that it’s very healthy and should make up the majority of their food. How interesting.
So apparently paying extra for no by-products, good-quality ingredients and some extra fruits and vegetables for good measure is a huge scam, but paying even more for corn and bigger kibble is totally legit. What a horribly dishonest and hypocritical woman.
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After the debacle of 1973 the Egyptians wanted US equipment because the guys who beat them had US equipment.You of all people know very well that "this country's stuff is crap" isn't a real argument when it comes to war machines and that's not why Israel won.
Especially you.
Though I'm very sure your Egyptian friends much preferred the newer US gear to their old 'Soviet machines, especially given the American attention to crew comfort- which although minimal in a tank as a rule, was probably streets ahead of the Soviet effort.
Now explain how…Because it's cheap surplus. Cheap being the operative word. …As well as the usual diplomatic overtures. There are a lot of factors involved in military procurement programs, "quality" is generally not top of the list, it's on there but not number one, two or even three. There would have been diplomatic overtures, but unlike the US with Egypt during the very hieght of the cold war though the Germans and the Russian's chief goal here would have been making a tidy profit. The Germans have stuff to get rid of, while the Russians have a massive military industrial complex to try and revive.
So apparently paying extra for no by-products, good-quality ingredients and some extra fruits and vegetables for good measure is a huge scam, but paying even more for corn and bigger kibble is totally legit. What a horribly dishonest and hypocritical woman.She probably is trying to push the stuff on you, but she's right about the pure carnivore thing.
From everything I've heard, cats only need fats and proteins and stuff… The corn is probably used as a source for protein in the food as well as a filler that is harmless to the cat's digestion but still helps deliver the key ingredients.
But yeah, blueberries, and veggies and stuff like that have things in them cats can't use well or at all and may not be as benign to their inner workings? I dunno, but that's what I've read everywhere about cats.
Dogs are the happy little omnivores, not puss-cats :3
…in the end though, you do what you think best. If your cat is happy, likes her food, and stays healthy, then there's no harm at all :)
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Yeah, I mean people can argue until the cows come home about what's best for pet nutrition. I don't think there's been enough research yet to say anything really definitive. My biggest issue is that she tried to push her crap food on me. Well, not crap. I have nothing against feeding Royal Canin to an animal except that it's extraordinarily expensive for what you get. They do a huge amount of advertising and have to charge that much extra because of it. It's certainly not the best food out there.
Edit: Also, just reading the ingredients and it's got cellulose. Am I mixed up or is that basically sawdust?
Really I just wanted some honest and educated advice about what's best for my beloved kitties, and was angry when I didn't get that at all.
@Genejoke
A lot of cats seem to be bad for that. I have no idea how they survived in the wild. "Yuck, a mouse? I'm not eating that!"
I've tried so many different treats, too. I think she just doesn't like eating. Weirdly enough, the only thing she really likes to eat is peanut butter.
Of course my other two cats eat anything that looks even remotely edible.
Yeah, I mean people can argue until the cows come home about what's best for pet nutrition. I don't think there's been enough research yet to say anything really definitive. My biggest issue is that she tried to push her crap food on me. Well, not crap. I have nothing against feeding Royal Canin to an animal except that it's extraordinarily expensive for what you get. They do a huge amount of advertising and have to charge that much extra because of it. It's certainly not the best food out there.I can very much relate to your experience, both in regard to cats and to kids. But so far in my dealings, no vet has been as blatant in support of his/her suppliers as to what I've encountered with pediatricians supporting pharmaceuticals, whether it's cough syrup, vitamins, or vaccinations.
Edit: Also, just reading the ingredients and it's got cellulose. Am I mixed up or is that basically sawdust?
Really I just wanted some honest and educated advice about what's best for my beloved kitties, and was angry when I didn't get that at all.
Particularly in the area of nutrition, where there is incredible knowledge about what vitamins and minerals, in combination and proportion, can do for the human body, it amazes me that the US docs I've run into seem ignorant about this area. Generally they are Very condescending, feel put upon to provide explanation, and seem insulted if you don't hop to and follow blindly.
Fats and protein are mainly what cats need.
Wich is why they like peanutbutter, fried chicken, cake, milk, etc…
Celulose is indigestable plant fibe- could come from wheat, anything. But It's not a bad filler…
Certainly better than that fake protein enhancing melamine the Chinese poisoned their catfood with a few years ago.
My cat LOVES to eat up rats from top to tail… although he'll often leave the stomach or a neatly snapped off nosecone- always standing like a witche's hat.
Fats and protein are mainly what cats need.
Wich is why they like peanutbutter, fried chicken, cake, milk, etc…
Celulose is indigestable plant fibe- could come from wheat, anything. But It's not a bad filler…
Certainly better than that fake protein enhancing melamine the Chinese poisoned their catfood with a few years ago.
My cat LOVES to eat up rats from top to tail… although he'll often leave the stomach or a neatly snapped off nosecone- always standing like a witche's hat.
Yeah, anything is better than melamine though…really I prefer a cat food with no filler at all. Ah well. I get holistic foods for free and the kitties like it so I'm not going to trade up for her stupid dental food that my cat won't eat anyhoo. I think it's time to switch vets, though.
Also, rats(as long as they're not diseased) are probably the best thing for a cat to eat, really! Which is probably why my cats spend hours watching poor little Ringo in his cage.
I can very much relate to your experience, both in regard to cats and to kids. But so far in my dealings, no vet has been as blatant in support of his/her suppliers as to what I've encountered with pediatricians supporting pharmaceuticals, whether it's cough syrup, vitamins, or vaccinations.
Particularly in the area of nutrition, where there is incredible knowledge about what vitamins and minerals, in combination and proportion, can do for the human body, it amazes me that the US docs I've run into seem ignorant about this area. Generally they are Very condescending, feel put upon to provide explanation, and seem insulted if you don't hop to and follow blindly.
I was actually just talking about this with my dad, who teaches some pharmaceutical courses. Apparently it's gotten to be quite a problem determining whether some pharmaceutical testing is really valid. A doctor gets paid 100,000 dollars by a company to determine the effectiveness of their drug - of course they're going to lean towards the person who's paying them!
And yes, I find a lot of these people to be very condescending. I mean, I'm sure a doctor knows a heck of a lot more than me, but the attitude is really unnecessary. They're basically acting as a teacher for you, and if teachers were like that all the time school would suck.
The worst time was when I waited for months and months to see a metabolic specialist. When I finally got into my appointment, she walked in and before I had even opened my mouth, said something along the lines of "You don't have a metabolic disorder." And then she treated me like a total retard when I told her that I had noticed most of my attacks had been on days when I had had more sugar than usual. Then sent me for a bunch of tests anyways. Urgh.
Don't get me wrong, I love socialized medicine, but I'd like to see a system where the doctor getting paid depends on patient satisfaction.
I just got into a bit of a row with my vet, lol.
My cat Annie will only eat wet food so I went to get her teeth checked. If she’s just fussy that’s fine but if she won’t eat dry because her teeth are bugging her that’s no good.
First the vet tells me that a lot of people think now that cats should only eat wet and no dry whatsoever anyways. So I was like well that’s good, I’m just a bit worried that her teeth will get bad if she’s only eating wet food.
So she gave me a sample of Royal Canin(who I’m 100% positive pay my vet to promote their food) Dental food to try. I was like, what? I just told you my cat won’t eat dry food!
From my understanding, vets don't normally do very much on the topic of pet nutrition because there's so much else they have to learn. Often the nutrition stuff is covered in a couple lectures or a seminar (sometimes run by pet food people).
Wet food is good for cats beacuse it's more purely what they can digest, and it ups their moisture intake. Just brush your cat's teeth. There's also things like dried seaweed powders and stuff which you can sprinkle on wet food to help keep their teeth clean. Many cats don't chew kibble at all, their teeth are wrong for it. how does that help keep them clean? Or if they do chew it, pulverized food can build up in gunky patches.
Yeah, that's what I've heard too. I just don't know who the heck else you talk to about pet nutrition. With so many pets, the feeding gets complicated.
I think I'm just going to get some of the stuff that you put in their water…knowing my Annie, if I got the powder she'd probably refuse to eat her food. I might try the toothpaste, but she'll probably end up biting me. She's a sweet cat but she does bite when you freak her out.
Today I have officially completed my 250th page of comics :D
I aim to double that before the end of the year!
also, pet nutrition? I know nothing of that… BUT I remember my aunt had a dog that DEMANDED to eat the same thing everyone had for the dinner and refused to touch food if it was any different. So if we had tomato soup and the dog was given chicken? it did not want to touch the chicken and just sat there on the ground, staring at us and making hiccup sounds. So we gave it some bread. The dog took the bread, took it outside and left it for the chickens there and returned to wait for a bowl of soup, heh.
Sounds like a pretty spoiled dog. :] He learned that holding out gets good rewards… dogs won't starve themselves to death, but cats will.
Cat nutrition is a bit tricker than dogs, but yeah. Pet nutrition is still a pretty young field. I'm lucky in that my vet was quite happy to let me start feeding my dog raw meats and stuff. Dog's much healthier and happier. If only it were so easy for cats.
This afternoon at work I couldn't want to get home and start drawing. But now that I'm home and it's cold and dark (my boiler is half-broken) I just want to take a bath and play video games. >:[ skoolmunkee, you can't get any drawing done that way
As recently as Saturday, my area had temperatures peak around 70F/ 21C. By tonight and through tomorrow afternoon, they've begun dropping to around 9F/-12C. That'd be a minor annoyance, except I have low-income dentistry and have been waiting a month and a half for an appointment… scheduled for tomorrow. And my primary mode of transportation is by bicycle. Harumph. I was supposed ta start my new graphic novella project today, but spent most of my time figuring out how to weasel around the incoming storm.
I dun' mind the cold, or the low-income healthcare… but when it starts interfering with drawing time, that's another matter entirely…
Aurora Borealis- Awesome on the 250 mark! Productivity can be a sweet, sweet drug.
you guys got those routing labels for the snow mixed up…i don't know how tho. "nebraska" and "australia" aren't anywhere near each other, physically or in name.
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People are complaining in a public, non anonymous forum (facebook) about leadership. and it's not just on their status updates. They're complaining on the leaderships facebook page, which is not what it's used for.
Many people have forgotten they lost most of their 1st amendment right when they enlisted/commissioned. and when it's pointed out to them, they go even more crazy.
Sweet dingleberry jesus it is freezing here. Freaking arizona… it was perfect weather not even a day ago.
My desk space is covered in 'pokeman pieces of cardboard'. I wanted to buy some card collecting supplies to store them but the shipping for them was 13$ -_- 13 freaking dollars! Instead of that I could buy…the pokeman pieces of cardboard.
I've always assumed you just fell assbackwards into money like Kramer.Yes, that happens.
Mostly these days I work in an office doing graphic design. Its good, it's steady, it's easy, paid holidays and sick leave are a joy, the commute is fast, cheap and trouble free, my fellow workmates and boss are all nice friendly people, I never work long hours go home late or take my work home with me, the equipment I work with is all new and decent quality (bought to my own specs), I got to take my holidays when I wanted to and got the raise I asked for…
But the air-conditioning is always waaaaay too chilly in summer >_<
It's good to have something to complain about :)
(more like George than Kramer these days)
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