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I'm having a hard time looking at manga art without seeing flaws now :/ I always saw it as a 'style' thing before but now it's not even that, i keep getting drawn to the poor proportions and thinking that the shortcuts(like just doing one eye or not finishing the bg) are just lazy. There are still some styles i like though, usually the seasoned artists.

hm, iiinteresting. This might be sacrilige, but the reason I first had trouble getting into american comics was because there was too much background. I like the "two desks in the background to denote that it's a classroom" thing. It makes it easier and faster for the eye to register… I get bored when I have to stare too long at a panel (it kills the cinematic feel of comics!!)

For me, I can tell if I'll like a comic just by looking at a few pages. It's generally style, not specific proportions, that bother me. (For instance, Antique Bakery=vomitous style; Gravitation=the epitome of all that is wonderful about manga. But then, Gravitation is one of those really professional-looking manga.)


And re, the Jessica Alba debate, she was prettiest in Dark Angel, that tv show from… perhaps late 90s. She looks too monochrome now… all caramel-colored. If you paint a wall tan and place Jessica Alba in front of it, she magically disappears.




Man, I've been haunted this weekend by this story idea… unfortunately it seems like the same story I always, always write (teenage boy meets older man, friendship/surrogate fatherhood ensues, falling in love (this is a new step; usually just a subtext in my other stories), falling out in the end where older guy completely fails and proves to boy how alone he is) but for some weird reason I just want to TRY to get it right.

Also one of the characters (the hot older guy ;D!) is Russian, but I'm worried I'm getting a little too into the whole "Russia" thing. And also, idk why the whole "father" issue interests me so… it's weird, it's perhaps the strongest theme in both of my comics. Well, you'll *see* in the Optimist. (I wonder how many people actually read the first page, in which I blatantly state that the father dies on the very day the majority of the story takes place?? Not many, I guess.)

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It's a lot of doodles and sketches, but they're personal doodles dammit! :gem:
Most of grow out of drawing genitals on everything…
My laptop has this won't boot up black death screen. It's only 2 years old! Can't afford to have it looked at for a few months, so guess it's Internet cages and clumsy phone transmissions from here on out, folks. Good thing I upload pages in bulk or I'd be boned.
Shiz, that's bad -_-

In other news, WooT! Got fanart and prints from HH today for helping her with her website. Now that's generous ^^
My gallery is enriched :)

But I still have a cold. :(

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Care to step into the ring ..? ill own everyone thats posted here on perspective………dipshit.:)

God my perspective sucks…
It's funny because his perspective really does suck.

Oh well he's changed from an ass-hole to an ass-licker now so it's all good.




YES SKULLPEES STILL GETTIN INTO INTERNET PISSING BATTEL DAMNIT ALL THAT MONEY I SPENT ON E-REHAB

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It's a good attempt, but 3 point perspective is too extreme to attempt in such a confined space, especially for a novice like that.

Besides, being good at perspective is NOTHING to crow about, it's not some magic skill, it's an extremely simple mathematical function that people can easily model out with a ruler if they're so inclined. The only hard thing is foreshortening on organic shapes-
Unless you're faking it and doing complex shapes from memory. Then it is difficult, but that's all your own fault.

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@Ryu: Well, it seems like you're being level-headed about your comic. I think taking a break to work on defeloping skills is a wise thing to do. But you could make a few mini-comics, to put all that anatomy practise to work!

@Oz: Haha. Pinky was fun to draw! >:)


I'm bummed about my computer, because it means I'll have to pay for internet access and probably only be on briefly every other day or so. I know it will be less of a distraction, though, so I'll be more focused on the comic, and maybe it'll help me work on actual "artwork" more.

In less than 12 hours I'll be on the road- I'm stayin' with a buddy in Atlanta tonight, and by sunddown tomorrow I'll be in New Orleans! I may or may not have power in the new apartment for a week or so- which'll be kinda… well, it gets up to 100 this time of year. But whatever. I don't care! I'm so happy! lol! I'm-a sing that lame Motley Crue song the whole way. "I'm on my wa-aaaay, I'm on my wa-ay-aaaaay, Home Sweet Hoooooome!"

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i'm a horrible christian…

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i'm a horrible christian…

aren't we all?
good thing God did that thing…


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@Skullbie, that guy is a tool.
but that page you posted from Al from the thread, isn't bad, IMO it is pencils afterall.

Maybe we should start a hard critique thread/forum. Something more constructive and more critical. The stuff here already in the forums is too 8th grade art class. What do you guys think?

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Oddly enough i get better crit and suggestions from the a&l section then a i do on pro-boards, i say oddly because that place was usually so dead lol.

I like the idea of a pure crit forum but i can just see the good artists with real advice being driven out by the poo flinging butt-monkeys and kids that use needless nitpicking as 'crit' to replace their lack of knowledge in the mechanics of it. And then there's always those 'Well lets see YOUR art then >(' and the even more despicable 'You don't have to know how to cook to tell food tastes bad' dipwads.
Plus never underestimate giving out an

oh yeah babeh, moooaoaaaarreergergddssf

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So I just got comissioned to draw a dog in whatever context I like for $150, is it wrong that I feel like a hack?

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So I just got comissioned to draw a dog in whatever context I like for $150, is it wrong that I feel like a hack?
No way! Congrats! Once I got comissioned to paint bible verses in this couple's bedroom for $300! Talk about feelin' like a whore. >:)

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I hope it had a Babylonian theme ;)

I knew a guy, a pretty good musician and singer named Phill Hardman, anyway he told me how he was once commissioned by a Malaysian businessman to paint a buch of naked young boys playing together in a fountain. lol!
He was commiserating with me since I was doing a commission of an execution at the time… -_-

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Well, I've been having trouble staying awake lately, so I tried drinking coffee.

Never will I drink it again. I swear it's like drinking shit that was put through a blender.

So, now I'm tired.

Start with tons of creamer and sugar, then over time decrease the creamer. The nice flavored creamers help a lot. Stay away from the powdered shit creamers. Also try to find the good roast coffees, not bargin basement crap. Most stuff out there is shit unless you have developed the taste for it. That takes time so hide the taste with the creamer until you get used to it and within a few years you'll be able to drink anything. I now drink it black, extra sweet (No "like your women" jokes)

People seem to think that all coffee tastes the exact same and you try one cup you've drunk every single one. Nothing could be further from the truth. It's like saying Coke, Pepsi, Dr. Pepper and Pathmark generic Cola all taste the same. Or black tea, versus green tea versus English Breakfast versus "Earl Grey, Hot".

And stay away from Turkish and Russian coffee. That is shit that's been brewed. Even raw Civil War coffee made from stale beans trod under foot and brewed through a sock tastes better.

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I hope it had a Babylonian theme ;)

I knew a guy, a pretty good musician and singer named Phill Hardman, anyway he told me how he was once commissioned by a Malaysian businessman to paint a buch of naked young boys playing together in a fountain. lol!
He was commiserating with me since I was doing a commission of an execution at the time… -_-
Oh no. I don't recall the passage (it was 10 years ago) but I do know it was not somethin' I'd want on the wall over my, um, bed. For, um, reasons. *wink wink nudge nudge*

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Hmmm… let me think…

The song of Solomon? ^___^
Kinky.

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And stay away from Turkish and Russian coffee. That is shit that's been brewed. Even raw Civil War coffee made from stale beans trod under foot and brewed through a sock tastes better.

is that an insult… or is that how they brewed coffee during the Civil War? anyways, i know that we just have keurig cups here for coffee, and that's pretty crappy too. i don't purport myself to be any kind of coffee king, but i like some coffee with chicory in it when i'm in the mood for something that actually tastes good.

also, to usedbooks, hope that resolves. unless you're in a cubicle atm like me, you could try some cardio stretches every now and then and see if that makes it less frequent.

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cardio stretches? wtf how LAAAAME… what an old, old man you are.

young lady, i know you draw a good comic or two, but that does not give you the authority to disrespect me, a LEARNED doctor, on this most public of forums.

*harumph*

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also, to usedbooks, hope that resolves. unless you're in a cubicle atm like me, you could try some cardio stretches every now and then and see if that makes it less frequent.
Nah, it's my day off (which makes it suck even more…). I haven't had a charlie horse in two years, and my job is fairly physical (I lead tours and activities in a park).

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young lady
I know what you mean man. They're so uppity aren't they?

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And stay away from Turkish and Russian coffee. That is shit that's been brewed. Even raw Civil War coffee made from stale beans trod under foot and brewed through a sock tastes better.

is that an insult… or is that how they brewed coffee during the Civil War? anyways, i know that we just have keurig cups here for coffee, and that's pretty crappy too. i don't purport myself to be any kind of coffee king, but i like some coffee with chicory in it when i'm in the mood for something that actually tastes good.
Turkish coffee is the best. I'll hear no ill speak of it!
Actually my favorite is Ethiopean beans, if we're gettin' nit-picky. :)

Coffee with chicory- I'll be havin' it tomorrow at Cafe du Monde. WIth beingets. I'm stoked.

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I am happy to say I completed my motorcycle safety courses, got myself an M class lisence and am now the owner of a 1995 Yamaha Virago 750. It's all miiiiine. It looksjust like this one. Isn't it a beaut?


I realize that "it's not a Harley" and "only a 750", but it cost thousands less and is PERFECT for me right now.

One a slightly less happy note, it looks like rain and I drove it to work. Oh, did I mention this is only the second day I ever rode a motorcycle? :P

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I just realized it's not even noon yet. I'm so bored today! I keep thinking of things to do but they all involve using my computer in some way, and I don't want to waste my time. *punches time-limiting software in the face*



So you guys remember how I was whining about the mosquitoes a while ago? Well holy crap, there aren't any left! It's very odd - a huge amount of dragonflies showed up this year. So I'm quite happy about that. It's nice to go to the park and be able to sit in the grass without being eaten alive.

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1995 Yamaha Virago 750.
Love it.
They're a beautiful bike. I've always preferred that look to the bloated, heavy Harley. They really captured the look of the old slim choppers perfectly. Always loved the Virago.

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Arg. I've got 45 minutes to kill before my doc appointment, and about 3 hours before I blow this town. I'm going nuts. I want to leeeeeeave!

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