Same here. I don't get how people can make long stories. I don't have the attention span for it.
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I don't understand how people can stretch stories out for so long. I don't think I've ever written anything that would last over ten pages.It's like life man; things take a while to happen, and when they do they just go on and on and on… :)
Long never-ending stories suit webcomics more than any other format.
Nonsense, Trout! What could be more fun than watching everyone around you get smashed by the time you've just developed a healthy buzz, at which point you'll have the admirable title of "designated driver" merrily thrust upon you while your puking mates are stumbling towards the door! And oh, the money you'll spend! ;)
Bugger that, just get me a taxi. -_-
I am extremely happy with my tolerance, it's Juuuuuuust right!
-doesn't take so many to get me pissed that it gets boring trying.
-Doesn't take so few that I can't enjoy drinking along with everyone else for a while.
Besides, you drink too much and it comes out as urine before it comes out as vomit. I prefer not to abuse my bladder too much thanks.
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Eh anyway, KNOWING your capacity, whatever it is, is the most important thing. -so you can drink up to it, or drink over it if you're feeling reckless. Just don't drink too far over your limit. :(
…Ruined the best suede jacket ever that way.
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Drinks are best when they're free.
-so parties and gallery openings are the my fave things! :)
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My jacket :(
…it was secondhand, short, with tassels along the back. Straight arms - none of that nasty gathered cuff shit. Also a nice straight cut, no gathering anywhere. It was coloured a lovely rich reddish brown colour. Beautiful jacket. A REAL find. I got it for a measly $60 at an op-shop.
I miss it so much T_T
I don't understand how people can make short stories. I tried to keep Din Krakatau short and what happened? Not only it came out 128 pages, but also became the first volume of a larger saga (which shall run somewhere between 1500-2000 pages).
Short comic = everything below 100 pages :D
Also, I find puking nearly as revolting as goatse so I'm staying away from alcohol (or drunk people in general).
RE: Booze:
It ain't that after this long I don't know my limits. Sometimes I just inexplicably revert to "I'll tell you when I've had enough!" mode. I know I'm headed for trouble, but make a conscious decision not to care. Then there's the magical roulette game of "How will my medicine react with alcohol this time? Wheeeee!" which is always fun. This new stuff ain't bad, though; it seems to just affect my speech, but it only takes like, a beer and a half to do it, so I kinda sound like I might be drunk even when I'm at a restaurant and havin' a couple beers with my meal, or somethin'. Psht.
I swear, by the way, for the record, that I ain't a total drunk. *hides head in shame*
RE: Long stories:
Actually Aurora, I don't know how you can write all your stories out so far in advance! That's the thing that gets me burnt-out/ bored. I mean, I always know what I want to do in an issue, but if I write out the panel-to-panel script too early, I tend to lose interest in drawing it.
Funny how different folks work, eh? :)
I think there are ways to keep yourself interested in a long-running book. Constantly challenging yourself to come up with new angles or ways to make the page flow, for one. Only scripting a few pages in advance (if any at all) and making it up on the cuff- although I'm too OCD to do that. Having sub-plots that you can switch over to every few pages, so you're alternating between characters, scenes, etc.
RE: Long stories:
Actually Aurora, I don't know how you can write all your stories out so far in advance! That's the thing that gets me burnt-out/ bored. I mean, I always know what I want to do in an issue, but if I write out the panel-to-panel script too early, I tend to lose interest in drawing it.
Oh, it's not fully written. If it were, I'd have a total final pagecount :D
At this point v2 is half-written (didn't have time to focus on it) and I got the overall saga plotted out until the final volume. The details are extremely loose at this point. I like to know ahead what direction I'm supposed to push the characters in, but also be able to draw new elements from things I introduced earlier ("oh, this could work if I referenced that scene and thus make the character angry and have him leave towards the location I need him at rather than punch the guy who reminded him of that scene").
But I do know who and how defeats the "main threat" at the end of the last volume.
Funny how different folks work, eh? :)I did the "few pages in advance" method and it always led me to a lot of downtime between these "minichapters". I like working fast, so having an entire script (usually in form of dialogue/captions written down next to page thumbnails and some notes on art) does wonders for my speed. It's a wonderful feeling to end the day with 3-5 freshly pencilled pages sitting next to you. :D
I think there are ways to keep yourself interested in a long-running book. Constantly challenging yourself to come up with new angles or ways to make the page flow, for one. Only scripting a few pages in advance (if any at all) and making it up on the cuff- although I'm too OCD to do that. Having sub-plots that you can switch over to every few pages, so you're alternating between characters, scenes, etc.
Now if only I wasn't constantly financially broke and could focus on drawing daily as much as I'd like to :P
I don't understand how people can stretch stories out for so long. I don't think I've ever written anything that would last over ten pages.
Well, personally speaking, I'm too attached to my own characters.
They started out as really cutesy and cartoony, and I made them into something much more. My characters (well, the 3 main ones anyway) are about a year old, maybe a little more, and they actually mean quite a lot to me.
And to make a story so-short, well, then I'd hate to see them go. I know there's always the option of making several short stories, but I've always wanted to do one long story, not a bunch of short ones.
But that's just me. Other people just like long stories, I guess.
Long never-ending stories suit webcomics more than any other format.
Makes sense, but how can anyone stand to keep going for so long? Doesn't it get boring, drawing the same characters and places over and over again? Don't you run out of ideas?
well, that's just the thing, some people can just do it. some people can keep coming up with ideas or hell, even recycling old ones.it just depends on how you are as a writer and how able you are to do something like that with your characters and their situations. that's assuming that all those ideas are good ones too. but some people just have more fuel, that's about it i guess.
some people write one shots, some people do epics.
as for alcohol…i think i'm slowing down on it a little bit. i'll get a little buzzed but i've just had so much shit to think about in terms of mvoing and getting art done and NOT having money that i can't devote a whole day or morning or whatever to being in an alcoholic coma….which probably means i'm probably gonna get fucking TRASHED AS SHIT tonight. hahahaha! see you guys in the gutter.
see you guys in the gutter.Dude, we can go see our "therapist" while we're at it! Sweet.
Well, at least I'm not alone in this aspect.
Man, between being in a pissed off rage and drinking a bit too much last night I gave up half my day, and it's beautiful outside. I want to say screw it and go out for a bike ride and just enjoy this because it just made my day so much when I walked outside to go get lunch. I feel like I should be enjoying every little bit of the good mood and happiness it's given me since I've been so angry and upset lately.
Heck, even sitting down with a counselor wasn't too bad so I know it's a good day. Turns out they think I'm becoming so aggressive because I've been separated from my hometown for so long. I knew that once you were a Detroiter it never left you, but I never thought that being separated from that city might be the cause for why I get so aggressive and destructive.
Turns out they think I'm becoming so aggressive because I've been separated from my hometown for so long. I knew that once you were a Detroiter it never left you, but I never thought that being separated from that city might be the cause for why I get so aggressive and destructive.Ha- at least I'm not the only one. Seriously, they say the exact same thing to me. So I think there might be somethin' to it. "Location, location, location!", right?
Now go enjoy a bike ride, dammit! :)
Alcohol: In college I discovered I liked watching other people get wasted more than getting wasted myself. In the past 20 years I've only gotten drunk when I had a good reason to. (A broken heart) And I had first formation the following day at 0745. ;)
Long stories: I did one story without the whole script done and I lost track of the story. So I put it away until I finished the script. I know where the ending is and that makes it easier to get there. 140 pages and only 360 or so left to go. Of course there are constant re-writes so the script often becomes just an outline. There are scribbled notes all over and I've retyped the script for the last 20 or so pages of script six times. Washing garbage. ;)
Resisting the urge to take a break and do a shorter story is always there. Especially since I have three completed scripts for comics that would be less than 50 pages.
But I just churned out two more pages and have four for this week!
I think making short stories is great practice Ryu you should definitely make one :)
Writing short stories in a way can take as much skill as writing a long one. I think the key is to make them is to build it on a setting/item/situation rather than a character. It's so easy to drag them out and tell your story in a high page count but harder to know how to compress/tell a story in such a short page count.
That said i absolutely hate uncompressed writing in comics :gem: there are times when it's done well but it's mostly just awful taking 100 pages to do what they could have done in 20 easily. It's bad writing to me plain and clear. The longest story i've ever written is my favorite #2 one and even then it progresses the plot with every page and has lots of twists/original themes.
I plan on making a habit of doing short comics tho :P
I think making short stories is great practice Ryu you should definitely make one :)That's what I was saying- that short stories take much more skill as a writer than longer ones. You have to be so precise- I can't remember who said it, but a popular quote on the topic is that you shouldn't be able to remove a single word or sentence without changing the story. Somethin' like that, anyway. ;)
Writing short stories in a way can take as much skill as writing a long one. I think the key is to make them is to build it on a setting/item/situation rather than a character. It's so easy to drag them out and tell your story in a high page count but harder to know how to compress/tell a story in such a short page count.
That said i absolutely hate uncompressed writing in comics :gem: there are times when it's done well but it's mostly just awful taking 100 pages to do what they could have done in 20 easily. It's bad writing to me plain and clear. The longest story i've ever written is my favorite #2 one and even then it progresses the plot with every page and has lots of twists/original themes.
I plan on making a habit of doing short comics tho :P
I think short stories/ comics can be based around a character, but I don't see it done well (if at all) very often. As far as literature goes, Nabakov and Woolfe both did quite a few really intense, memorable "character studies" (for lack of a better term) that were 5 pages or less. Though I can't think of any comics like that, off the top of my head- at least not ones that read like comics and not illustrated prose.
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