It varies a lot based on the size of the company, what they do, how big their area of sales is, etc., but on average for a small start-up company you're looking anywhere between $1200 and $10,000. It's a bit of a black art to guaging the exact price to charge for a logo design. The cheapest I've ever charged was about $600 for a very close friend, but that was me essentially giving her a 66% discount because I knew she didn't have a lot and we've known each other forever.
And what I was saying in my last post, before the html weirdness, is that Ayes still has till the end of summer at least to try and con me into doing a page, but I rarely draw anything like Last Words any more. Most of what I do these days tends to be a bit more serious and more aggressive
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lba wrote:
Ayes still has till the end of summer at least to try and con me into doing a page,
Thanks, I think. But I said I accepted the situation, and I stand by that.
I would, however, be most interested in seeing maybe a photo of your drunk lawn gnomes. Sounds like a scene that might have been omitted from Amelie
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so, my boss took a different job (internal) on Monday and told us about it today. I can't even begin to guess how this is all going to fall-out, but I know it's going to get worse before it gets better.
*grumblemumblebumbles* Woke up yesterday only to be greeted by a seveare case of "I'll-skip-the-8am-class-today" syndrome.
So around noonish I woke up, well slept, made myself a nice breakfast and tea and braced myself to watch a recording for my other class (the lectures are recorded, we only show up for discussions) which would've started at 3pm but was cancelled. Needless to say I decided to duck it and play Mass Effect…
And now I'm trying to fix my sleep pattern, it's been hell for the last two weeks… Come to think of it, I'm speaking from the future (yay for different time zones!!!)
ozoneocean wrote:
When I get home from work I'll vote on the voice acting for the play
and he wasn't just whistlin Dixie. THANKS, Oz! Now We Are Six (number of votes total - AND a lovely little book)
so - I tried to make it a little easier to listen to the recordings. This:
http://tindeck.com/users/ayes2012
is the link to all of the recordings in one place. It's not "perfect" because the recordings are listed in upload order, with first upload (Annabelle 1) on the bottom. But if you copy the link in a separate browser window, then you won't have to go back and forth between two web sites.
So many of you have already been very supportive of the project: cover artists, judges, comic artists, and voice try-outs – I really appreciate it. But it would be great if we can get some more votes in!!
thanks in advance!
I voted, yeah. I voted pretty damn hard.
I have nothing else going on right at this moment… But I did vote, and that counts for a whole lotta stuff.
I used italics too, and pseudo American syntax, so I am Smokin'!
-Not literally of course; That would be disadvantages to my health and really quite stinky.
Underline it!
ALL CAPS BABY!
QFT
My lovely Android phone updated to ICS the other night too, and runs like a new device now! Which is pretty cool… at least to the 0.01% of people that know or care what that means. ^_^
I better go back to drawing now…
Yes, I think that would be best.
Bastid!
I voted for you at least once. No votes for myself though… I though some of my samples were pretty good, but I did promise not to, and it IS extra work if you get a role! It can be very hard to maintain a character along multiple line recordings.
But being a character is easier and more fun than being yourself… I'm thinking that all soap roles that are actual DDers (all of them) should maybe always be done by someone other than the person they're based on… good idea?
Maybe not… I'm pretty crap being me, but eveyone else who'se done themselves so far has been pretty cool.
OK, maybe all new roles only?
Had a blast playing ME3's multiplayer as an Infiltrator. After being downed by Geth Hunters so much I decided to use their strategy and it works. Cloak, get in close, then decloak and let my target have it. Of course some Krogan players accuse me of being a coward… especially after they're on the ground after trying to melee a Banshee (that thing has an instakill grab attack)…
Just thinking about the Council's behavior in the series. They're informed of the threat, and they refuse to believe what they're told. Then when indeniable evidence of that threat shows up and they flat out deny and play it down while refusing to give support to combat it. Then when it finally hits them in the face they're ill prepared for it. Were there any real world governments that acted like this? Don't know why, but Pearl Harbor comes to mind…
Lonnehart wrote:Pearl Harbor, the Bush and/or Clinton Administration, several Israeli administrations, King George III. Although George kind of gets a little leeway given that communications were so slow at the time he'd just barely found out people were pissed at all by the time they revolted.
Just thinking about the Council's behavior in the series. They're informed of the threat, and they refuse to believe what they're told. Then when indeniable evidence of that threat shows up and they flat out deny and play it down while refusing to give support to combat it. Then when it finally hits them in the face they're ill prepared for it. Were there any real world governments that acted like this? Don't know why, but Pearl Harbor comes to mind…
On kind of the same note, I really want to make a rant about some of the training in my company lately, but I know I'm not supposed to be criticizing my superiors or the army, so I'm doing my best to keep it to myself. Suffice it to say, I find myself slightly disagreeing with what we're covering as opposed to what I wish we were covering with the privates.
I spent the last three days in Saskatchewan. I left at 5am Friday and just got back.
Had a memorial (although there was almost no one there) and then spent the rest of the time sorting through his files and taking his old stuff to the salvation army. The most draining days I've had in long time, both physically and mentally. On the positive side, I get a decent inheritance and a giant stamp collection.
Lonnehart wrote:Modern mythology strikes again. By December 1941 the US had been planning to enter WWII for almost a year with the peacetime draft, Lend-Lease and a huge US Navy building bill that funded the Iowa BBs and Essex Carriers.
Don't know why, but Pearl Harbor comes to mind…
Pearl Harbor is a perfect example of hindsight. It was so obvious but only after it happened. And there's no conspiracy, the radio intercepts just weren't good enough yet to put all the pieces together. A pile of the intercepts that made Pearl Harbor even probable weren't decoded until 1945. Just a touch too late.
The Japanese fleet was travelling under a complete radio blackout and behind a weather front. Absent a modern style radar net there was no way their location could have been known or their destination guessed at. It could have been the Philipines as was expected. And why wasn't MacArthur prepared? Incompetence.
Simple incompetence and preparing for the attack that was expected as opposed to what actually arrived. Then there's believing your own good press and having faith in a weapon system as the wonder weapon when it had never actually been tested at doing what it was supposedly capable of doing. Oops, you mean a B-17 isn't the perfect reconaissance and precise anti-fleet bombing platform?
Registration at my school starts tomorrow and it will be really awesome if I got the schedule I want. My school does month long mini-semesters rather than the full 3 month semesters and I have the perfect plan.
For the Summer, I will take one online course that runs from mid May to the begginning of August. It will be my first 100% online course, but that means I don't have to be running around like chicken with it's head cut off and I get all of May of for holiday. Then I will take a class for June and another class for July. I will have almost all of August off for another round of summer break.
For the Fall, I will only take a class for September and October. This gives me November - mid Januarary off for Christmas break. For the Spring, I only have three more classes to take and I will get my MBA in May.
I have it all planned out.
*edit* And I got the schedule I wanted.
Poop-doop-dee-doop!
Good luck little Niccea!!!!!! May your pointy ears steer you towards glorious wealth and good fortune!
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Work is busy, busy at the moment again… And I wouldn't mind it since I work FAST (unlike my comic stuff), but when multiple things I'm working on at the SAME fricken bloody time keep coming back with fricken revisions it scrambles my brain!!!
I am not a person who can keep complex irrelevant little details from multiple different jobs in his head at the same time and come up with creative solutions to all of them simultaneously. No, my brain does NOT parallel process I'm afraid.
I have to queue up and sort them all mentally and work on them in series, sequentially… They can be shuffled about in any order, but that makes them slower and crapper and makes me bad tempered.
And changing metal gears slows me down even more! if I move from doing mundane stuff to something that requires a lot of creativity it's going to take me a lot longer to get going. And if I go back to mundane stuff then the mundane stuff will slow down.
It's the same for websites - where you have to hold a LOT of stuff in your head at once to work on them (directory structures, file locations, aesthetics of design, all the different HTML and Css tags, the specific code structure of your HTML page template, exactly what content you have to add, all the changes you have to make after to accommodate any change you make now, all the possible methods to do stuff better, all the jobs you still have to do on the site and all the previously mentioned details that goes along with each and every one of them… and so on multiplied.
It's not that bad when you're doing it, it's all just pretty automatic of course… it's just the run up to getting started, especially when you have to stop and do something completely totally different… and then go back to it again T_T
I am not cut out for that sort of stuff in my head/brainial area @_@
ozoneocean wrote:Dirty little secret of the reality of human behavior as opposed to the cloud cuckoo land inhabited by most pointy headed manigerial types: NO ONE CAN, NO one is and anyone who thinks they are or can are living in a fantasy land and will end up with a pile of burned out wrecks and slipshod work!
I am not cut out for that sort of stuff in my head/brainial area @_@
It's proven in study after study, after study, after study. The evidence is clear. The human mind works sequentially and for best results finish one project before moving on to the next. Some dope first figured this stuff out in the late 19th Century. No one has ever listened and they wonder why the world is so messed up. And just who is they, because whoever they are they deserve the fate of the Terror in the French Revolution.
Put a guilotine in the back of a pick-up and drive from place to place offering hair cuts.
bravo wrote:
quoting ozoneocean:
I am not cut out for that sort of stuff in my head/brainial area @_@
Dirty little secret of the reality of human behavior as opposed to the cloud cuckoo land inhabited by most pointy headed manigerial types: NO ONE CAN, NO one is and anyone who thinks they are or can are living in a fantasy land and will end up with a pile of burned out wrecks and slipshod work!
It's proven in study after study, after study, after study. The evidence is clear. The human mind works sequentially and for best results finish one project before moving on to the next. Some dope first figured this stuff out in the late 19th Century. No one has ever listened and they wonder why the world is so messed up. And just who is they, because whoever they are they deserve the fate of the Terror in the French Revolution.
Put a guilotine in the back of a pick-up and drive from place to place offering hair cuts.
Gee, bravo. It's pathetic how you don't have an opinion on things :P
Actually, there have been studies, make that brain dissections, which strongly indicate that some people have a greater ability to multitask (or parallel process) than others, based on the number of synapses that cross between the right and left hemisphere. The more crossovers, the greater the ability to multitask – and as a general rule, females have more crossovers.
It rather explains how women can be cooking dinner, checking homework, and talking on the phone at the same time, while men generally can't.
I ran across this when I was looking into information about autism. The autistic are extraordinarily linear and sequential thinkers – brain autopsies of the autistic have shown very little crossover, fewer than the average male brain. And, incidentally, autism is far more prevalent with males. I've read 4 out of 5; and I've also read 7 out of 8. Although when autism occurs with females, it is generally more severe in its effects.
so maybe you can continue to garage your guillotine
I seem to recall though that despite the findings that indicate women are better at passing information from one side of the brain to the other there's still quite a few productivity studies that note that multi-tasking is an inerently less productive method of working that focusing on one task at a time. Yes, women can be doing three things, but it's still not all at once, and productivity-wise it will end up taking them longer to finish the tasks than if they did it one at a time. It's a simple point of math, every time you switch tasks, it takes a period of time to make that switch, and if you have 3 tasks that means you can either switch focus 3 times or continually bounce between them 7 times.
That ability to pass info between the hemispheres of the brain only speeds up the process of changing focus. It doesn't eliminate it. No matter what, you only have two eyes to look at things with, and unless you've somehow retaught your brain to use each eye independently of the other, you can only focus on one thing at a time. To use your example, you can't look at the measuring cup in your hand and look at your math book at the same time. You can measure out something, then look at the book, but you can't physically do both at the exact same moment without your brain picking one or the other to put in clearer focus.
I don't mean to jump into an argument, but this is a subject that's a major debate in the design world because of how many ADHD people there are involved and how many of us work 20 hours days and end up obsessing about becoming more productive as a result. There's regualr discussions on the issue on Behance where I keep my portfolio.
I like your question/s, lba. The fact is that absolute focus can only be done linearly, but my counter is that not all things (most) don't require absolute focus.
Memory, for one, is not absolute focus. Drawing, on the other hand IS a task that requires absolute focus. And many if not most individuals need to pause and evaluate the "required focus" that a particular task requires. But for some, the wiring "instantly" identifies priority and subsequent organization of thought and action.
I know that I am one who can "multitask", and I have observed many others in the waking and walking moments of real life that have an ease of addressing several tasks "at once" – meaning: dealing with unrelated tasks without a noticeable shift of gears.
I was once called into my supervisor's office and received unexpected praise for being able to answer, in seemingly order of priority, four different questions that were called out by four different individuals ON TOP of each other without pausing for a breath. No - I couldn't say all four things At The Same Time (dur), just as one can't keyboard and chop onions at the same time. But there wasn't any appreciable down beat of addressing the questions either. It wasn't a "let me think about that and get back to you" because I understood and could answer. (I mean, if you don't know, you don't know. but I knew the answers for this one).
Sure, it would be cool if I had super powers, but I've seen many people doing very much the same over the years. But – in all honesty, they've been women. But not all women can do it. I just don't remember a man ever being able to do this.
I absolutely believe that the reason most secretaries (or Executive Administrative Assistants) are women is two-fold: (1) men wouldn't accept the underpay, and (2) multitasking is Mandatory, and most guys can't do it.
I lean toward lba in that the more recent studies I've heard say that when people try and multitask as opposed to working serially things are done less efficiently and take longer.
But I also agree with Ayes in that things require different levels of attention so these much less penalty when switching between them- so you can far more easily keep things on hold or ticking over wile doing something else… while with others you just think you can (Driving and texting is a super relevant example).
Drawing for me doesn't require absolute focus. In fact that is a massive negative to my productivity because my muscle memory and the thought process required to drive the drawing faculty is so well ingrained at this point of my life that very little mental energy is needed for it-
-Which means that unless that surplus thinking power is soaked up some other way I quickly lose focus and can't work.
I need to be talking, watching a long movie, listening to a radio play, thinking about solving some puzzle or problem… It's been that way for quite a few years, but getting worse all the time.
But for writing creatively or doing long involved notes like comic reviews or such I need all my attention.
It worked. I ranted and got some valuable opinions and learned stuff about the topic. Thanks all. I was just using exaggerated hyperbole to have fun and stir the pot.
It is far more effective to be able to set accurate priorities than to multi-task. What's the most important thing, what needs to be done so that one can put it aside to do the next most important bit on the next project thereby doing bits sequentially while working on projects at the same time.
Therefore semi-tacky adhesive backed note paper became the huge seller it is. Lots of little notes and lists reminding one of what to do next in sequence while working on multiple projects.
As for the guillotine on the pick-up we've been using all the spare time to build up a fleet. When the time comes heads will roll and I'll be in charge and we'll do things my way.
ozoneocean wrote:I'm much the same way although in my case, it's not so much that I lose focus or get bored as that I need something creating a sort of atmosphere which is why I love documentaries and movies to be playing while I work. It kind of halfway creates this illusion that there's other people in the room doing things in a way music alone doesn't. In that way it keeps me from going stircrazy and then losing focus. It also really helps to give me ideas. I'm a hardcore believer that there is not a human being on this planet capable of creating things without some form of input, whether it's coffee or your annoying flatmate smoking a bowl in the bathroom. If the theory of conservation of energy is good enough for chemistry and physics, it's more than good enough for design.
Drawing for me doesn't require absolute focus. In fact that is a massive negative to my productivity because my muscle memory and the thought process required to drive the drawing faculty is so well ingrained at this point of my life that very little mental energy is needed for it-
-Which means that unless that surplus thinking power is soaked up some other way I quickly lose focus and can't work.
I need to be talking, watching a long movie, listening to a radio play, thinking about solving some puzzle or problem… It's been that way for quite a few years, but getting worse all the time.
But for writing creatively or doing long involved notes like comic reviews or such I need all my attention.
And as for me, I've almost managed to recover all the computer equipment I destroyed the other day. I've managed to get my usb ports, keyboard and mouse functional again. No go on the speakers and wacom tablet though. Whatever they used on the screws to install the speakers on my laptop it is not coming undone. So I'm stuck with shorted internal speakers and having to steal my ancient 6"x4" intuos 3 back from my friend, but it turns out my old broken pair of headphones can play louder than the internals ever could and I can live with a small tablet until I get the larger one to a computer shop that might be able to clean it out and try to get it working again.
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