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Genejoke wrote:
Just without the guns.
gun free zones are worse than useless when guns are freely available.
Man with murder on his mind and gun at his hip walks into a college to kill people and sees a sign saying "no guns". On seeing that taking a gun into his chosen kill zone would be illegal the man decides he he should go home and get some therapy.
Yeah, I can see that happening.
There hasn't been many mass killings over here, with or without guns. A guy with a sword isn't going to be as effective as a guy with a gun and home made bombs… well we've been lucky I guess.
I think you don't quite get the "gun free zone" thing.
the benefit is that it allows people to be legally stopped from carrying a gun into the place- So you have at least one barrier against people being killed.
Shootings are unlikely to ever be stopped by a "good guy" with a gun unless that "good guy" as extensive training that's up to date AND they're cool under pressure- which is a combo that almost never happens with normal people. If there's ever a "good guy" it's usually an off-duty police person.
The cold hard fact is that less guns mean less mass killings.
There are people that go on rampages with knives and cars etc, but compared to guns those things are laughable, you have to have specialised circumstances for a big body count and those are piss easy to defend against and escape from. Try doing that with bullets and I'll laugh at you.
Even bombs and nerve gas require FAR more careful planning and special circumstances. Nothing in the world is as easy, cheap, simple, and effective to use for that as a gun.
Shootings are unlikely to ever be stopped by a “good guy” with a gun unless that “good guy” as extensive training that's up to date AND they're cool under pressure- which is a combo that almost never happens with normal people. If there's ever a “good guy” it's usually an off-duty police person.
Normal people with guns in those situations tend to be useless or worse than useless.
Consider: the reason they carry is that they're fundamentally afraid, more afraid than unarmed people. What do you think that situation will do to them?
Wet pants time.
Even many of my US based pro-gun friends on Facebook conceded this: without current, up to date, specifically targeted combat training and the dedicated willingness to shoot and kill another human being, their guns aren't useful and there's really not that much point in carrying them.
Even soldiers in war time often find it hard to shoot enemy combatants, even though they've dehumanised the "enemy" to make it easier.
So, yeah, armed civilians are a joke. Just makes it harder to spot the "bad guys"
Genejoke wrote:Shootings are unlikely to ever be stopped by a “good guy” with a gun unless that “good guy” as extensive training that's up to date AND they're cool under pressure- which is a combo that almost never happens with normal people. If there's ever a “good guy” it's usually an off-duty police person.
I think Plymayer could find an example of just that thing happening.
bravo1102 wrote:
I trained kids how to survive a mass shooting when a teacher. Seek good cover and stay down. If you know how to use a firearm and you actually have it available, return fire but do not be a hero. You are not indestructible. Try to get him to seek cover. Just try to get him to stop shooting by returning fire. Period.
Ugh, I'm doing that thing where I have so much to do that I get anxious and do nothing instead. I have a bunch of research work that needs to get done before I leave for Japan in a week, and for whatever reason I've become sort of overwhelmed by it and I'm having a really hard time convincing myself to start on it. I keep convincing myself that other things need to be done first. "Oh, I should format my other research findings so they look presentable." "I'll finish marking exams." "I'll tally up the final grades so I can send them to him later in the week."
Now I'm completely done marking, my other research findings look beautifully professional, and I have nothing to do but the actual work that needs to get done. DO IT ALEX
Was I being too cruel? I was out collecting resources when this bone shark nearly killed me (thank goodness for health kits). Since it insisted on trying to bite me even while in my submersible, I decided to do something about him. I rammed it several times with the DDS (Drunk Duck Submersible) Hippie Van as he tried to ram me (he was playing "chicken"). The result is the picture below… moments before I unceremoniously sent its still twitching body over the underwater cliff…
HippieVan wrote:
Ugh, I'm doing that thing where I have so much to do that I get anxious and do nothing instead. I have a bunch of research work that needs to get done before I leave for Japan in a week, and for whatever reason I've become sort of overwhelmed by it and I'm having a really hard time convincing myself to start on it. I keep convincing myself that other things need to be done first. "Oh, I should format my other research findings so they look presentable." "I'll finish marking exams." "I'll tally up the final grades so I can send them to him later in the week."
Now I'm completely done marking, my other research findings look beautifully professional, and I have nothing to do but the actual work that needs to get done. DO IT ALEX
ashtree house wrote:
Hippie, I am going to Japan in September and this subreddit saved my life!
https://www.reddit.com/r/JapanTravel
Check it out if you haven't already, it has just a general FAQ thread, and people post ton of useful tips, recommendations, etc.. or you can post your iteniary and people can help you on it. I learned alot about the train system by stalking that sub!
My wife's sister is looking at a Mediterranean Cruise for 2017. It might even include a few extra days in Rome.
In September my wife is going to Illinois for a genealogy conference. I can't get vacation I dare not take off because I have become indispensable. Everything is going from bad to worse and I don't want to go away only to come back to a smoking hole in the ground.
HippieVan wrote:ashtree house wrote:
Hippie, I am going to Japan in September and this subreddit saved my life!
https://www.reddit.com/r/JapanTravel
Check it out if you haven't already, it has just a general FAQ thread, and people post ton of useful tips, recommendations, etc.. or you can post your iteniary and people can help you on it. I learned alot about the train system by stalking that sub!
Thanks ashtree! I will check it out.
This is a family trip, so I've mostly been letting my dad and little sister do most of the planning. I'm kind of happy to wander around and see whatever. :)
(Plus I will probably be super gross-feeling and jet-lagged, so I don't want to over-plan and then feel disappointed by what I don't see because I'm too tired to do it all.)
Where are you planning on going in Japan?
My whole two cents thing on concealed carry and "good guy" carry is that as an MP and the one of first responders for my military post, I would just as happily that none of you ever be allowed to carry guns at all. I fully support being allowed to own hunting weapons and an assault rifle is just a regular rifle with a pistol grip to me, but I don't even trust other soldiers who aren't my MP's carrying weapons.
From my perspective; I'm going into a totally unknown situation with weapon drawn, yelling at the top of my lungs, and then I come around the corner and here's someone with a gun. One of two things is going to happen at that point; either that's my target and I'm going to fire my weapon and kill him before moving on, or I'm going to kill some idiot who thought he'd save people by using his gun and I get to live with the guilt of killing a civilian who wasn't my target for the rest of my life and the idiot gets to go to heaven knowing he at least made my PTSD worse. To me, you with a gun isn't a help, and all you've done is make my job harder and more dangerous. I've seen how the "people with real combat training" handle these situations, and most of the time the only thing they do better is remember to stay hidden and follow orders. You as a civilian are just going to get someone else killed.
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As for why I was going to bitch, it was because I'm becoming quickly convinced that we need to follow the American Institute of Architects lead in the graphic design field and require anyone who wants to be a designer to pass an exam and become licensed. I meet too many marketers, journalists and business majors who really shouldn't be allowed to make design decisions and these people waste far too much of my money and damage way too many of the end client's businesses because they don't listen or understand what they're getting involved in when it comes to design, branding and (ironically) marketing. This time it was someone refusing to acknowledge that computer screens don't match the print and use a Pantone book like they were supposed to; because it would have cost them $155 and they don't see the need for such a "unnecessary" expense.
As a security officer, my job is to observe and report. So in the real world, that's what I do. I trust myself with a gun only so far as I know not to use one.
It would be comforting to be able to return fire, but in the real world that is not realistic for any number of reasons. Iba's post reminded me that the skills and techniques of law enforcement and combat are different in so many subtle ways.
bravo1102 wrote:
As a security officer, my job is to observe and report. So in the real world, that's what I do. I trust myself with a gun only so far as I know not to use one.
It would be comforting to be able to return fire, but in the real world that is not realistic for any number of reasons. Iba's post reminded me that the skills and techniques of law enforcement and combat are different in so many subtle ways.
I have a lot of swords and I don't want to ever use them on people. If a person broke in to my house (god forbid), I would reach for one though, because that's what you tend to do.
In the past I've thought the safest way would be to grab a club, or the bluntest of my swords… But they're easy to grab and the point of even a blunt sword is FAR more dangerous than a sharp edge.
So probably the safest defence sword is something extra sharp like a katana- harder and more intimidating to grab, and much easier to give a person shallow, very painful, yet non-dangerous superficial cuts so that they're deterred.
The mistake people have (including me) is thinking that all sword cuts are about chopping people up, but that's false, you don't have to cut everything in half…
@Kawaii- Congrats on the extra job! :D
Sounds like a good one. Maybe you'll start pairing back what you do when you find the particular responsibilities you like the most?
lba wrote:
This time it was someone refusing to acknowledge that computer screens don't match the print and use a Pantone book like they were supposed to; because it would have cost them $155 and they don't see the need for such a "unnecessary" expense.
ozoneocean wrote:
Vicious cuts with swords…
The main part of it is the threat though- I wouldn't want to have to injure a person at all. But with little things like Stanley knives you sort of have to because the threat of them wont stop anyone…
I once tried to defend myself in a fight with a steel mechanical pencil. the thing was quite sharp… but useless. The guy didn't even feel it.
I'm torn on the Gun Debate…
On one hand I think it's waaaaaaay too easy for someone to get a gun in the U.S., both legally and illegally! But honestly, I do think we should have the right to be able to defend ourselves by being able to match the force a typical intruder/robber/kidnapper could bring down upon us… I don't know how often that force would be a gun, but in the U.S. it's not unwise to assume it's often enough…
My personal belief is you don't need to be able to shoot well… I belief most assailants will back off (or not even try to begin with) just knowing you have a firearm… Or maybe I'm just telling myself that… My thinking is, were I a robber, seeing a firearm being held by my 'victim', or hearing a gunshot (even just shot in the ground or in the air), I'd go find easier prey…
We go to the out-of-the-way places a lot; we camp fairly often, we hike the countryside and woods, and walk the back streets of cities like New Orleans, and we pretty much always carry two concealed sidearms with us, usually a .380 and a .25 (which we bought thru proper legal channels and have licenses for)…
I probably am fooling myself, but I just feel safer knowing one is near - we wouldn't explore many of the strange and awesome places we've been without them, places we have every right to go!
Genejoke wrote:
Seriously considering scrapping all my comics bar the community projects. Looking at them I don't feel pride, save for a few pages. Maybe it's the depression and anxiety talking.
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