..The white border is just making it even worse. :(
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I don't like the profile one even more so than I don't like the comic ad, which I definitely dislike. The reason is it goes: my personal comments, AD, and then MY personal trophies. I just feel like it looks like I'm personally saying "check out this ad".I can handle putting up ads on the front page. I'm used to that. What I don't like is the ads on my profile page.
If you're going to do that, you could at least have the courtesy to ask.
I don't see the big deal about the one on the profile page, but maybe that's just because I never look at profile pages, ever. As far as I can see, it goes under the description and it's on top of the currently non-functioning trophies. Like OO said, you have no real say over the design of your profile page, you can't alter how it's laid out, so it's not as personalized as a comic page is.
Actually, looking at it right now, I think it's one of the better placed ads that are currently floating around the site. It doesn't look completely out of place because it's not pushing content around.
And thanks, Volte. I hope something gets worked out. :kitty:
Which is why I don't like the comic page ad. My comic > AD > My comments… same thing.
If key placement is an issue - which it was mentioned - then I suggest optimizing some of the header content. There's A LOT of wasted space up there. I mean, there's about a 800 x 200 space at the top of this page dedicated to saying ONLY: "Forums" and the forum bread crumb… and then A LOT of blank space. That's key real estate being used. Even if you broke that space in half with tables, that's 400 x 200 advert space. Which wouldn't be too much of an eye sore. Same thing with the Search, News, Forums, Games etc etc etc tabs. They're nice and I like the look. But if it's those or the middle of my comic page, I think a reduction there can be made which will open up some nice 200 x 100 space.
And, these changes should be mega easy if this site was designed right. May the change to the 1 or 2 templates used and then you're 1 dreamweaver click and a full upload away from being fixed.
Or, what about advertising on the forum redirect page after you make a post? That's just a bunch of blank space. Make the redirect a few seconds longer and put a few banners there… can't hurt.
You know, at the very, very least… couldn't you add a "sponser" tag like you have on the header banner? That way at least it'd be crystal clear it wasn't a user-endorsed advertisement…. which is, again, my chief beef.
Thanks,
~Jerome~
EDIT: I just noticed that "advertisement" WAS added above the adverts in our comics. Well done. That more or less satisfies me enough to just wait and see what happens. Thanks admin
I wasn't going to complain again But I'll say this; it's taking advantage of the DD userbase in a cynical way. Don't take us for granted.
But then again, why not take it further:
Entire comic pages could be turned into advertisements using Java to "watermark" them, then make the whole page link to whoever.
This would be simple to organise and implement I imagine. Not every page would have to have it either, you could space it out to one in every 3 or 4, but that will be an even more prime spot than anywhere else on the whole site and makes excellent use of the DD userbase and the visitors they draw to the site. ;)
Personally I dont see too much of a problem with ads except for few places. My only suggestion is… please cut back on flash ads like WoW. There is some places where flash ads looks good and other places where it doesnt.
I play WoW and I love the game, but you're putting way too much of their ads into DD.
Ok, Memmey and Strongbad. You are DD users like everyone else and you've been here a while now, but…
you have to realise that people who work hard at creating comics here at DD have lot more to say about adds on their comic templates than users such as yourselves who aren't really at DD for that particular service so much. ok :)
(I know you have comics here Strongbad, but they're not really as much to you as most of the rest of the people in this thread)
So if you want to contribute to the discussion in a worthwhile way, consider it from the position of the people that do, since it's the adds on user's templates that this whole thread is about.
I can almost picture the scene of how it happened:
In a dimly lit, cigarette smoke-filled room, a group of Drunk Ducks sit around a table staring into their beer…
"Dude, this blows." One says, "Have you seen the hit counts on the site? We need a way to get money off of those guys. I got a letter that the water company is going to turn off the water again."
"Man…" says another.
"Wait…I've got it! We could have ADS!" Another duck exclaims.
"ADS? Why the hell would we want to have a disease?" scowls the first duck.
"No, man. Ads. As in advertisements. I just said it all in caps because I was excited."
"Oh." The duck blinks. "Ads for what?"
"Porn." One duck suggests. "People always click on porn ads."
"Wait, wait wait. We can't do porn." A duck replies. "At least not unless it was the classy kind…you know…viagra or something."
"Viagra isn't porn."
"Ok.." The first duck scrbbles on some paper, "Porn it is. Now..where do we put the ads?"
"Everywhere!" One of the ducks exclaims.
"No..we can't put them everywhere..they might miss an ad. We need to put them somewhere we know people will go and click."
"Um…we could put ads on all the comics? A duck asks hopefully. "You know..right where the person's comic would be?"
"No..no..why would someone go to a comic page to just see an ad? No.." he sighed, "No, we have to…trick them somehow…"
Everyone thought in silence.
"I know!!" A duck jumped up, spilling beer. "We'll put them right above the navigation buttons! That way someone is bound to click on the ad by accident..and we'll make a fortune!"
Cheers arose from everyone.
The identities of the ducks involved have been changed to protect the innocent. No ducks were harmed during the creation of this silly story. We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion.
So if you want to contribute to the discussion in a worthwhile way, consider it from the position of the people that do, since it's the adds on user's templates that this whole thread is about.
I was just giving a personal opinion. That is all. I can, however, see how ads in that area might be a problem for people who set up custom templates and stuff.
Now can I be accepted by the general populous?
Those extra animations for stupid world of idiotcraft banners use up so much dang energy! Also, not only are they shoving them into our comics, they are putting them under our personal profile! I mean really, weren't we meant to be the only ones who edit our profiles. Those dang banners taint my comic, I mean, now It looks like a piece of cheap crap. Now, I think the Forums are the only place with out ads. Keep the ads on the front page where skoolmunkee posts… We don't want ads, so piss off!
Maybe if the profile ads were moved to the area below the "Forum Topics Started" area people won't be as bothered. It is understandable that it looks like one is endorsing the ad if it is placed between the bio and the trophies, especially if the reader doesn't notice the word "advertisement". But if it were moved so that it wasn't smack dab in the profile, it might seem less intrusive. just an idea anyhoo
Profile ads don't bother me. It is marked as an advertisement afterall, and because it is on everyone's profile one can easily infer that the subject didn't put the ads there themselves.
Those extra animations for stupid world of idiotcraft banners use up so much dang energy! Also, not only are they shoving them into our comics, they are putting them under our personal profile! I mean really, weren't we meant to be the only ones who edit our profiles. Those dang banners taint my comic, I mean, now It looks like a piece of cheap crap. Now, I think the Forums are the only place with out ads. Keep the ads on the front page where skoolmunkee posts… We don't want ads, so piss off!….hostile much?
This probably has been mentioned before…but for the new template ad, couldn't that be placed at the very bottom of the page instead of under the comic? Like under or above the black block with the DD links? (Or perhaps even remove that since it's already at the top? Maybe just leave the disclaimer…)
I don't care about the profile ad. I'm not planning to use DD like myspace much anyway…but that's just me.
Those extra animations for stupid world of idiotcraft banners use up so much dang energy! Also, not only are they shoving them into our comics, they are putting them under our personal profile! I mean really, weren't we meant to be the only ones who edit our profiles. Those dang banners taint my comic, I mean, now It looks like a piece of cheap crap. Now, I think the Forums are the only place with out ads. Keep the ads on the front page where skoolmunkee posts… We don't want ads, so piss off!
Yeah, you should try to relax. You'll get your point across much more succinctly if you're not cursing and raving while trying to make it.
I'm mostly just afraid to see what's going to be popping up in those advertisements that are on the comic pages. :/ Right now, they're annoying, but semi-tolerable, because they're for comics. I don't want boobs flashing all over my page, or ten minute long WOW movies making the page impossible to load for people on slow connections.
We'll see what happens, I guess.
Ok, Memmey and Strongbad. You are DD users like everyone else and you've been here a while now, but…
you have to realise that people who work hard at creating comics here at DD have lot more to say about adds on their comic templates than users such as yourselves who aren't really at DD for that particular service so much. ok :)
(I know you have comics here Strongbad, but they're not really as much to you as most of the rest of the people in this thread)
So if you want to contribute to the discussion in a worthwhile way, consider it from the position of the people that do, since it's the adds on user's templates that this whole thread is about.
I'm actually making a suggestion about flash ads. Sorry if that was not obvious. Its just an idea in case you get flash ads that's mind bursting and eye-bleeding psychedelic type or is too distracting, or might be hard on dial-up users, etc, etc. You get my point. I'm sure you can ask the sponsor to provide non-flash ads and I'm sure most of them will be happy to provide it. No biggie.
If for any reason it cant be done. Oh well, it isnt end of the world. I'll still be a DD user. :P
I will add my own two cents even if the protest has been pretty much made clear. While I don't like the sudden onslaught of sticking ads wherever there is (or there isn't) space, I don't have much problem with any other ad except the one right underneath the comic. It's like saying to the readers of any comic 'hey! You don't want to be reading this crummy comic- go read the other one!'. Especially when it comes to mood and tone, it is completely disruptive and distracting to have a date ad right under a page where a character dies in the hands of another, for example. It's really ennervating and I think that in the end it is counter productive for those paying for this ad anyway- nobody who is so irritated from an ad will ever click on it and if they do, it is hardly easy to sell stuff to a disgruntled customer.
I think it would be better to have the ad at least under the navigation buttons and the drop-down menu. That way it looks like some sort of link exchange.
And I do hope we never see boobs flashing across our pages, like silentkitty said. That was a really nightmarish scenario.
Ozone, I really like that link you have under your comic banners in your sig. Could I get the code for that? :)
Those extra animations for stupid world of idiotcraft banners use up so much dang energy!
FINALLY someone else mentions it. Those things have been slowing down Drunk Duck and pretty much the rest of my computer. And not just making it load slower, but also slowing down everything else while it's playing. I know a lot of you have fast computers and don't mind stuff like that, but I'm running a cheap 2003 Dell that came with minimum specs. It's basically murder on my browser.
I still think the debate over the placement of banners in comics are still important, but those Wow videos are really ruining the quality of the Drunk Duck site.
I think it would be better to have the ad at least under the navigation buttons and the drop-down menu. That way it looks like some sort of link exchange.
I think it's because he's making it part of the < - Page - > tag that it shows up where it is. There are so many sites that have the nav buttons customized or moved to the side he can't just embed the new ad as part of those.
Just as a note to those asking for it moved to the bottom of the page etc. You may as well ask to have it just removed then. The idea (as far as an advertiser wants) is to have this ad so visible that you have to see it. Moving it somewhere else doesn't help to sell it which is the problem DD suggest were having. I'm hoping that if the ad stays it will get us some topical ad spots. I'd hate to have a tide ad or a dating service under my comic. If it helps I'm willing to whip the sales staff with a wet noodle until they do make the tough sale. Otherwise you may as well let project wonderful have the space and fire the sales staff.
I know right under the comic is prime space. I get it. I just wish I could CHOOSE what is advertised on my space. Personally, I don't play WoW, and I don't want to. I play Rappelz and we're kinda in a debate as to what is better >_< I can't tell people about my comic over there because of all the WoW adverts. I wouldn't mind the comic adverts, if I actually LIKED the ones being displayed. They're arn't bad or anything, I just don't read them, and I'd rather display something more to my taste.
As said before, just no pop-up OR pop-under adds. Seriously, I'd just leave. Tripod blasts my BaL visitors with adds and pop-unders that they usually don't want to stay long.
But in retalitation, we could just click all the crappy adds like crazy, and not buy anything. It brings up the referal hits and pays DD.
The banner on my page doesn't actually seem to be working right now which is nice (though the grey box with "sponsor" all over it is still there)… But still, I'm really annoyed about it. DD should sell ad space to it's users - in a similar way that Online Comics.net and buzzComix do - a small subscription fee to get your ads get rotated around on the site and appear first during search inquiries… I'd pay for that and I'm sure a good number of other creators would too~ I wouldn't mind displaying those ads so much either.
While I slave away making my comic, attracting thousands of hits per day, DD capitalizes on that and I get nothing in return apart from an obtrusive ad banner messing up my layout and a helpful link leading people away from my work! Considering it's OUR content that people come here for we are well within our rights to complain about it. There are a number of other bits of the site design that the advert could be coded onto like the author's comments or the comment box itself. Just the placement of it right now is ARGH. Makes me want to throttle it or code some sort of CSS thing over it. XD
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