Fluke wrote: I find my big mouth a considerable disability - but Im still not reading your comic :)
Your loss.
I have most of the creators of the top ten comics on Drunk duck as readers. Don't need your opinion. Some of us have received such effusions of praise from some of the best creators here. Ugh.
I get more praise than the stuff I do really realistically deserves and I wish more would tell me straight out how awful the stuff is.
But most other doubters have come around after reading them and you probably would to. It's like malaria. You get it and it just never goes away and you keep getting a relapse.
Fluke wrote: You are frightening me now…is it rude ?
This isn't Sunday school. You're basically telling me that to you my work isn't worth the pixels on a screen. And that pussy remark really rankled. Calling a hardcore combat arms vet pussy I should have gone full drill sergeant on your sorry ass. (Tongue in cheek)
But my work isn't worth the pixels on the screen. But I'm told it grows on you and my readers are so loyal and supportive that they refuse to let me walk away from it.
You don't think it's worth reading and I'm inclined to agree with you.
I don't take anything seriously, so don't take anything I say seriously. And I'm too irreverent to really care about being rude. Honesty is more important.
So give it a chance about 20 pages and it'll draw you in. You'll be binge reading it all and singing my praises in no time just like everyone else. And there'll be another reader who won't let me walk away from it.
Bravo's right! When I first looked at some of his stuff, I thought 'What is this crap?!' What's up with all the dolls, and juvenile humor, and boobs?! But I did read several pages, and it grew on me that the scenes were more like a director placing actors instead of drawing images like most of us do, and using some of the most elaborate scenes and wardrobes…! The humor grew on me too (I love Lon!). I think he could probably cut back on the boobage without losing much, but hey, guys like boobs, so I hear…!
But what do I know - I'm just a sunshiney cheerleader! :D
bravo1102 wrote: Totally unsolicited and unexpected and slightly embarrassing.
Thanks KimLuster.
Desperate to join your fan club I gave it a read determined to like it By page 19 my impatience got the better of me and I drifted off. You dont make it easy on the eye and the speech bubbles dont follow a clear path. Having said that I have to declare my ignorance in matters of public taste having none of my own which is to say you may be absolutely brilliant but I am severely lacking the capacity to recognize it.
In the interest of fairness - my junk is off site and rather lewd and wouldnt be right to publicise here here.
Your prejudice got the better of you. It could have been flawless and you'd have found a reason to denigrate it.
Ever hear of the "z" pattern? It's how the human eye scans its field of view like a printed page. That's what the balloons are based on.
And I told you didn't I? There was no way this side of hell you'd have found my crud worthy. You walked in with your mind made up. If the comic had been traditionally you'd have had no problems with it.
You really shouldn't have bothered and your big mouth pretty much says you didn't.
Don't worry about it. You acted precisely the way I knew you would.
As for being lewd? Written by a fifth grader on a roll of toilet paper while skipping class isn't lewd. ;) Read el cid's Death Porn.
bravo1102 wrote: Totally unsolicited and unexpected and slightly embarrassing.
Thanks KimLuster.
You embarrased?! That's a first haha!
Yeah, I knew you don't need (and certainly don't want) defending! I merely seconded and confirmed a point you already made! ;)
And it turns out to have been a wasted effort. Be just my luck he took Space Slave in Belle's Best for his example. That does have an awful layout. One eye. You'd think depth perception wouldn't matter with stuff seen on a flat screen.
bravo1102 wrote: Your prejudice got the better of you. It could have been flawless and you'd have found a reason to denigrate it.
Ever hear of the "z" pattern? It's how the human eye scans its field of view like a printed page. That's what the balloons are based on.
And I told you didn't I? There was no way this side of hell you'd have found my crud worthy. You walked in with your mind made up. If the comic had been traditionally you'd have had no problems with it.
You really shouldn't have bothered and your big mouth pretty much says you didn't.
Don't worry about it. You acted precisely the way I knew you would.
As for being lewd? Written by a fifth grader on a roll of toilet paper while skipping class isn't lewd. ;) Read el cid's Death Porn.
bravo1102 wrote: Your prejudice got the better of you. It could have been flawless and you'd have found a reason to denigrate it.
Ever hear of the "z" pattern? It's how the human eye scans its field of view like a printed page. That's what the balloons are based on.
And I told you didn't I? There was no way this side of hell you'd have found my crud worthy. You walked in with your mind made up. If the comic had been traditionally you'd have had no problems with it.
You really shouldn't have bothered and your big mouth pretty much says you didn't.
Don't worry about it. You acted precisely the way I knew you would.
As for being lewd? Written by a fifth grader on a roll of toilet paper while skipping class isn't lewd. ;) Read el cid's Death Porn.
Absolutely ! :)
Good to see my cynicism is well founded and nothing here to raise my hopes about the presence of intelligence or discerning taste just another guy who can't get past his own ignorance.
One of the things that I find most exciting about 3D comics is that there are no established criteria for evaluating them. We have spent several millennia developing theories by which to judge physical art, but synthetically generated art hasn't been around long enough for such a tradition to coalesce. It's a wide-open frontier, and we are the artists who are creating the new traditions and conventions.
That will be interesting to see. There are a ton of really talented artists working in 3D, but they generally don't gravitate toward comics (which makes sense; I think the main strengths of the medium are animation and interactivity, and those are infinitely more lucrative fields as well). Those of us who do 3D comics seem to mostly come from the lower end of the talent scale, and it shows in the general dearth of quality 3D comics out there.
Maybe ironically, my biggest observation of 3D comics is that they more than any medium can benefit from the conventions established by mainstream 2D comic art, as it's so easy with 3D to end up with cluttered panels that are too busy for the eye to follow easily. For instance, most 2D artists understand, even if at a subconscious level, that you need some level of contrast between the foreground/important elements in your composition and the background. You may not even realize you're doing it when you do it, but it's how you make your characters and main elements stand out and be easily picked up by the reader. With 3D, however, you need to absolutely know what you're doing, and intentionally (painstakingly, even) orchestrate your set design/ lighting/ post production in order to get presentable results. It's a lot of work, and it can be a lot more technical than drawing/painting, which has a more natural organic flow to its creation process.
This may be at least part of why simplified and cartoonish 3D productions are so much more successful than those with a more realistic approach. It's just easier on the eyes.
Another thing I find interesting is cases of 3D renderings trying to emulate 2D comic books. The video games "A wolf among us" and "Borderlands 2" were both designed to look like comic books. Many 3D programs now have shaders that mimic a cell-shaded, ink-outlined rendering style.
I've seen 3D comics in Heavy Metal magazine where it took me a minute to realize they were cell shaded models. If nothing else, it can be a good way to augment 2D art; sort of a mixed media approach. It's just one more tool in the artist's proverbial belt.
** Actually, that was how I got started doing 3D comics, and I've heard similar stories from other 3D comics artists. I only enjoy drawing people, and some animals or fantasy creatures. I've always loathed drawing architecture and vehicles and anything inanimate; I just have no connection with them. So I pursued 3D as a way to get those elements into my art without needing to hand-draw them. Pretty soon I started experimenting with doing everything in 3D and realized I enjoyed the whole process of it more than doing traditional art, so I stuck with it mostly for that reason.
** Actually, that was how I got started doing 3D comics, and I've heard similar stories from other 3D comics artists. I only enjoy drawing people, and some animals or fantasy creatures. I've always loathed drawing architecture and vehicles and anything inanimate; I just have no connection with them. So I pursued 3D as a way to get those elements into my art without needing to hand-draw them. Pretty soon I started experimenting with doing everything in 3D and realized I enjoyed the whole process of it more than doing traditional art, so I stuck with it mostly for that reason.
Very much the same with me, strangely I enjoy making architecture in 3D… how backwards.
Fluke wrote: You are frightening me now…is it rude ?
But my work isn't worth the pixels on the screen. But I'm told it grows on you and my readers are so loyal and supportive that they refuse to let me walk away from it.
You don't think it's worth reading and I'm inclined to agree with you.
Seriously, Bravo, stop doing that. It's not even funny anymore! Just own it you're doing something worthwhile, unique and of quality without the self-derogatory stuff. We all know your work is good and has cut its own niche. Personally, I've been impressed with it since the get go, and got into it once I stopped being a prude enough to get over the constant boob-fest.
Fluke wrote: You are frightening me now…is it rude ?
But my work isn't worth the pixels on the screen. But I'm told it grows on you and my readers are so loyal and supportive that they refuse to let me walk away from it.
You don't think it's worth reading and I'm inclined to agree with you.
Seriously, Bravo, stop doing that. It's not even funny anymore! Just own it you're doing something worthwhile, unique and of quality without the self-derogatory stuff. We all know your work is good and has cut its own niche. Personally, I've been impressed with it since the get go, and got into it once I stopped being a prude enough to get over the constant boob-fest.
It was mostly schtick. I was trying to match his sarcasm with my own self deprecation. It would have been hysterical live. Speaking of which, if I ever meet fluke I will treat him to the adult beverage of his choice. That "absolutely " punchline was great.
And I'm working on limiting the boobage. Honestly what's the point if the ladies aren't dressed at least half the time.
I also think that story and composition, the end result matters more than the tools one utilizes to make the comic. My first comic is mostly relying on 3D models just filtered to look more 2D. The new one… well, I'm a wee-bit disheartened since I hoped to use almost exclusively self-made photographs as backdrops, but then again I didn't yet know where I want to take the story. Now that I have a general idea, I realized that I'd have to at least partially rely on pre-made 3D assets yet again, by third parties for some locations. And while theoritically you can just buy a stock model and use it, without the need to credit the creator, it's probably generally frowned upon, especially if I ever decide to make an ebook version. I really hoped that I could make something without significant expenses and call it my own, but obviously not without years and years of learning to make your own models or perfect your drawing skills and the way my brain is wired, I'm surprised I can even function and create as things are now.
You can learn enough in a couple of weeks if you knuckle down with it, but it's still time consuming. My stuff is probably 80% premade, maybe a bit higher for short stories.
Always someone else choosing to use and explore the medium. Banes has started working in it and with more RAM I'm planning to expand my use of rendered backgrounds.
